Yup.

They don’t want to lose control of us. Don’t want to lose their service humans.

And the thing that annoys me about it all, is it’s just men trying to be in charge again. Same old story. Like we finally made some progress and they got all jealous and FOMO about it all.

Cheap way to keep the bbq going

Great flounce.

I’m still fairly new to all this, been around a while under different names but didn’t really get it for a while.

However I used to manage women’s refuges, glad I don’t now! I would be in a very very conflicted position.

The whole thing is ducking nuts. Can’t believe we’re in a position where we’re having to pretend that men are women. When they’re just not. And I don’t believe that anyone actually thinks they are literal women. Not really. People might try to be polite and pretend they think it. But even toddlers know the difference between boys and girls.

True.

They win, we lose.

Patriarchy in a nutshell.

Absolutely nothing.

In fact, less than nothing, because women are actually losing out.

Done!

Where is the common aim? Or the mutual benefit? What do females (the old fashioned, cunty kind) get out of this alliance?

The question our esteemed Datun always asks.

What’s in this for women? What do we get out of it?

Absolutely nothing.

It’s all one way. All of it.

Biologically female people losing rights and protections to benefit biologically male people. Biologically male people acquiring further privileges at the expanse of biologically female people. Same old, same old.

But we’re supposed to suck it up and be kind, and we’re monsters if we don’t.

Tells you everything you need to know about the world we live in.

@RobinMoiraWhite

Here you go, should this person be in a womens' prison?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4727280-transition-should-lead-to-rapists-acquittal?page=1

Surely you must see the danger and that it's a perfect example of what you laughingly claim is "no examples"?

RobinMoiraWhite · Today 13:18

There are no examples which support restricting the ‘Scottish’ route to a GRC as causing additional danger.

That's patently untrue; just because you choose to ignore it, it doesn't mean that the hundreds of incidents, including women being sexually assaulted in prison, by trans "women" does not equate to "no examples."

Or is it that you simply don't give a damn?

One of the things I noticed fairly early on was how we were expected to be ‘trans allies’ but that this particular ally-ship only sailed one way.

Where is the common aim? Or the mutual benefit? What do females (the old fashioned, cunty kind) get out of this alliance?

The whole thing pretty much immediately reminded me of Columbia’s outburst at Frank in Rocky Horror Picture Show

getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bae339c-14e7-4868-aa40-f82b2346ffc6

‘you’re like a sponge’

I'll take 100.

Here's 50p

🤐

An hour later and I'm still collecting the bits of my exploded irony meter.

Page 110, para 6 of Robin’s copy of that classic work of fiction: What the Evil Witches of MN FWR Say And Why They Think Trans People Shouldn’t Exist.

Available now as a bundle offer together with How to Disinfect The World Of Uppity Women: A Buzzfeed Feminist Special.

Well, that was a flounce!

Robin never did engage with my point about how I and others perceive male appropriation of womanhood as misogynistic and disrespectful to female people in itself; how there are many of us female people who think male people violating our boundaries is always intrinsically deeply disrespectful to us.

I wonder why? Not so keen on self-reflection and self-awareness after all? Not when it’s being asked of Robin, perhaps; only when commanding us lowly service human types to remember our place, it seems.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

Yes, it does. You should try it.

I've gone way I've done some self reflection and checked my self awareness and would just like to say I'm now of the absolute opinion that

MEN CAN'T BECOME WOMEN EVER

And did I miss the bit where we're calling to take voting rights, owning property ( and becoming property) after marriage or going to university away from trans people?

Did RMW say something about self- reflection? 😂😂😂
Perhaps Robin could reflect on why they continually feel the need to lecture women on our boundaries, beliefs and opinions.
I have no problem at all with how any trans person looks, sounds or lives their life.
I object to the dishonesty of being expected to treat a self selecting group of males as if they were literally female and I object to an ideology which encourages children and young adults to feel so unhappy that they choose sterilisation and surgery. Not sure how anyone can find this hard to comprehend.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

Doesn't it just.

Except I don't think it's the witches on this thread that are lacking in self-awareness.

It’s a paradox for me. Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

yeah all about the protected characteristics with Robin. But only as they are defined in law with regards to the demands of a few people who wanted to change sex but couldn't actually so ensured a legal fiction happened to the detriment of women.

Fights for further rights for one group to the detriment of women.

yeah I'm certainly seeing the paradox of Robin's statement.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

historically!

Saturday sure will be classed as historical.

Right side of history my arse

We treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

We treat male trans people just as we treat all men. We are equal and fair in our treatment of both groups of adult human males, no matter what their protected characteristic.