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CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:21

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/10/2026 17:05

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"Oh, if we're going to conduct an unforgiving forensic examination of Rowling's movement, I suspect we can do considerably better than her failure to disavow every vile and abusive man who happens to share her contempt for anything remotely resembling "woke". There is a perfectly legitimate criticism buried in your observation, although I'd approach it differently. Our Most Blessed of Joannes is frequently moved to righteous indignation by the treatment of women in Iran and Afghanistan. Yet her public advocacy seems considerably less animated by the suffering of women in Palestine, Saudi Arabia and numerous other countries where women endure appalling violence, coercion and discrimination. Forced marriage, FGM, honour killings and religious fanaticism present ample opportunities for someone professing such an uncompromising commitment to women's liberation. One might reasonably ask what determines the geographical boundaries of her compassion. However, this brings me back to my original point, which is that Rowling has unquestionably done genuine good with her considerable wealth. Through charitable giving, funding organisations and establishing services for survivors of sexual violence, she has made material contributions to the welfare of women whose lives have been devastated by abuse. That is a matter of record. It would be intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise simply because I find much of her contemporary political commentary objectionable. But we must distinguish between the good Rowling can accomplish with her money and the intellectual authority she apparently believes that money confers upon her. And that raises an interesting question. Take away the billions, and what exactly qualifies Rowling as one of the great intellectual authorities on women's rights? She is an immensely successful children's author. An extraordinary commercial phenomenon. She created a fictional universe that captivated generations of readers and generated a merchandising empire of almost unimaginable proportions. Good for her. But she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës. Nor would I put her alongside Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker. Even within speculative fiction, I'd struggle to place her in the company of Ursula K. Le Guin or Margaret Atwood. These are, naturally, literary judgements, and others are welcome to disagree. What interests me is the extraordinary tendency to confuse the financial rewards of creative success with evidence of superior intelligence, analytical ability or moral insight. Commercial success is an astonishingly unreliable measure of artistic merit. Talent matters, certainly, but timing, circumstance, marketing and sheer dumb luck play enormous roles in determining who becomes wealthy and who remains obscure. If box-office receipts were a reliable indication of cultural and intellectual importance, we'd be canonising Fast & Furious alongside the works of Henry James, Ernest Hemingway and James Joyce. Vin Diesel would be pulling up outside Trinity College Dublin to deliver the annual lecture on modernist literature. 1/2

There is nothing inherently wrong with writing entertaining books for children. The Harry Potter novels have genuine imaginative qualities, and their contribution to popular reading culture is considerable. But writing an enormously successful fantasy series does not magically endow its creator with the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist. And this, ultimately, is what I find so revealing about her latest essay. She has written herself into the grand narrative of women's emancipation, apparently convinced that she occupies a position of historical significance comparable to the great figures whose intellectual and political achievements helped transform society. Yet virtually every practical advantage she brings to this struggle derives from the colossal fortune generated by a series of children's books. That fortune can finance lawyers, establish charities, support survivors and change lives. Those contributions deserve to be judged on their actual merits. What it cannot purchase is intellectual authority. And it certainly cannot transform a billionaire's personal convictions into incontrovertible truths merely because she has the means to broadcast them to millions. Rowling's money gives her an extraordinarily powerful voice. The tragedy is how increasingly little intellectual discipline she appears to exercise when using it. 2/2"

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 23:22

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:08

AI says:

An effective counter-argument posits that true political agency and liberation are achieved not through the rejection of structured language, but through its strategic mastery and democratic reclamation.

Which seems like a fair point.

I think AI needs to lay off the hallucinogenics, personally

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:27

Kat, she doesn't claim to be speaking on behalf of anyone other than herself, it's the TRA lobby who claim she is speaking with any more authority than that of an individual. They attribute power to her just to try to destroy it when it isn't necessarily there on the first place. Which is pathetic when you think about it. And also counter productive, as it encourages more readers. Rampant stupidity in action.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 23:28

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 22:47

The Incoherence Never Ends.

Dog and Duck, Snettisham. Summer of '67

Oh don't remind me! - the psychedelic light projection, and the 12 minute drum solo😱

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 23:30

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:21

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"Oh, if we're going to conduct an unforgiving forensic examination of Rowling's movement, I suspect we can do considerably better than her failure to disavow every vile and abusive man who happens to share her contempt for anything remotely resembling "woke". There is a perfectly legitimate criticism buried in your observation, although I'd approach it differently. Our Most Blessed of Joannes is frequently moved to righteous indignation by the treatment of women in Iran and Afghanistan. Yet her public advocacy seems considerably less animated by the suffering of women in Palestine, Saudi Arabia and numerous other countries where women endure appalling violence, coercion and discrimination. Forced marriage, FGM, honour killings and religious fanaticism present ample opportunities for someone professing such an uncompromising commitment to women's liberation. One might reasonably ask what determines the geographical boundaries of her compassion. However, this brings me back to my original point, which is that Rowling has unquestionably done genuine good with her considerable wealth. Through charitable giving, funding organisations and establishing services for survivors of sexual violence, she has made material contributions to the welfare of women whose lives have been devastated by abuse. That is a matter of record. It would be intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise simply because I find much of her contemporary political commentary objectionable. But we must distinguish between the good Rowling can accomplish with her money and the intellectual authority she apparently believes that money confers upon her. And that raises an interesting question. Take away the billions, and what exactly qualifies Rowling as one of the great intellectual authorities on women's rights? She is an immensely successful children's author. An extraordinary commercial phenomenon. She created a fictional universe that captivated generations of readers and generated a merchandising empire of almost unimaginable proportions. Good for her. But she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës. Nor would I put her alongside Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker. Even within speculative fiction, I'd struggle to place her in the company of Ursula K. Le Guin or Margaret Atwood. These are, naturally, literary judgements, and others are welcome to disagree. What interests me is the extraordinary tendency to confuse the financial rewards of creative success with evidence of superior intelligence, analytical ability or moral insight. Commercial success is an astonishingly unreliable measure of artistic merit. Talent matters, certainly, but timing, circumstance, marketing and sheer dumb luck play enormous roles in determining who becomes wealthy and who remains obscure. If box-office receipts were a reliable indication of cultural and intellectual importance, we'd be canonising Fast & Furious alongside the works of Henry James, Ernest Hemingway and James Joyce. Vin Diesel would be pulling up outside Trinity College Dublin to deliver the annual lecture on modernist literature. 1/2

There is nothing inherently wrong with writing entertaining books for children. The Harry Potter novels have genuine imaginative qualities, and their contribution to popular reading culture is considerable. But writing an enormously successful fantasy series does not magically endow its creator with the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist. And this, ultimately, is what I find so revealing about her latest essay. She has written herself into the grand narrative of women's emancipation, apparently convinced that she occupies a position of historical significance comparable to the great figures whose intellectual and political achievements helped transform society. Yet virtually every practical advantage she brings to this struggle derives from the colossal fortune generated by a series of children's books. That fortune can finance lawyers, establish charities, support survivors and change lives. Those contributions deserve to be judged on their actual merits. What it cannot purchase is intellectual authority. And it certainly cannot transform a billionaire's personal convictions into incontrovertible truths merely because she has the means to broadcast them to millions. Rowling's money gives her an extraordinarily powerful voice. The tragedy is how increasingly little intellectual discipline she appears to exercise when using it. 2/2"

Haha, basically she's a middling author who <didn't stay in her lane>.
Interesting thesis that a more prominent or superior writer would be better placed to be the moral arbiter that Rowling bestows on herself.
Well Margaret Atwood, for your name has been mentioned, where are you then on men in women's spaces and teen medicalisation? I keep my ears open, but all I hear from you is you choose not to get involved.
Or maybe that's the bigger point. Atwood is the superior writer and intellect, and chooses to not intervene. And thus the pretender to great literature, Rowling, should shut her mouth as well. Certainly no qualifications or substance to be the most audible voice on this matter.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 23:40

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:08

Well that explains the poor quality, my 1998 last minute bullshit dissertation was fuelled by cocaine and white wine. But then I was the last cohort to get a grant....

Goodness, I only had access to Proplus for my 1998 last minute deadlines!

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:44

Genuine question @CoolforKats . Do you have a sense of humour? What sort of things make you laugh?

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 23:40

Goodness, I only had access to Proplus for my 1998 last minute deadlines!

Oh pro plus was basic bitch stuff for 9 am first year pre socratic philosophy. One had to upgrade....

(Also, it gave me heart palpitations,
Dangerous stuff, pro plus.)

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:47

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 23:30

Haha, basically she's a middling author who <didn't stay in her lane>.
Interesting thesis that a more prominent or superior writer would be better placed to be the moral arbiter that Rowling bestows on herself.
Well Margaret Atwood, for your name has been mentioned, where are you then on men in women's spaces and teen medicalisation? I keep my ears open, but all I hear from you is you choose not to get involved.
Or maybe that's the bigger point. Atwood is the superior writer and intellect, and chooses to not intervene. And thus the pretender to great literature, Rowling, should shut her mouth as well. Certainly no qualifications or substance to be the most audible voice on this matter.

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You’re conveniently missing the over arching point that financial success doesn't equal intellectual & moral authority.

The only thing I would add to that is so called 'feminists' with such classist hierarchical sensibilities is an oxymoron.

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:48

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:47

You’re conveniently missing the over arching point that financial success doesn't equal intellectual & moral authority.

The only thing I would add to that is so called 'feminists' with such classist hierarchical sensibilities is an oxymoron.

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She's never claimed to have moral authority, she just posts what she thinks, same as you.

Except she makes more sense.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 23:49

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:21

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"Oh, if we're going to conduct an unforgiving forensic examination of Rowling's movement, I suspect we can do considerably better than her failure to disavow every vile and abusive man who happens to share her contempt for anything remotely resembling "woke". There is a perfectly legitimate criticism buried in your observation, although I'd approach it differently. Our Most Blessed of Joannes is frequently moved to righteous indignation by the treatment of women in Iran and Afghanistan. Yet her public advocacy seems considerably less animated by the suffering of women in Palestine, Saudi Arabia and numerous other countries where women endure appalling violence, coercion and discrimination. Forced marriage, FGM, honour killings and religious fanaticism present ample opportunities for someone professing such an uncompromising commitment to women's liberation. One might reasonably ask what determines the geographical boundaries of her compassion. However, this brings me back to my original point, which is that Rowling has unquestionably done genuine good with her considerable wealth. Through charitable giving, funding organisations and establishing services for survivors of sexual violence, she has made material contributions to the welfare of women whose lives have been devastated by abuse. That is a matter of record. It would be intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise simply because I find much of her contemporary political commentary objectionable. But we must distinguish between the good Rowling can accomplish with her money and the intellectual authority she apparently believes that money confers upon her. And that raises an interesting question. Take away the billions, and what exactly qualifies Rowling as one of the great intellectual authorities on women's rights? She is an immensely successful children's author. An extraordinary commercial phenomenon. She created a fictional universe that captivated generations of readers and generated a merchandising empire of almost unimaginable proportions. Good for her. But she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës. Nor would I put her alongside Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker. Even within speculative fiction, I'd struggle to place her in the company of Ursula K. Le Guin or Margaret Atwood. These are, naturally, literary judgements, and others are welcome to disagree. What interests me is the extraordinary tendency to confuse the financial rewards of creative success with evidence of superior intelligence, analytical ability or moral insight. Commercial success is an astonishingly unreliable measure of artistic merit. Talent matters, certainly, but timing, circumstance, marketing and sheer dumb luck play enormous roles in determining who becomes wealthy and who remains obscure. If box-office receipts were a reliable indication of cultural and intellectual importance, we'd be canonising Fast & Furious alongside the works of Henry James, Ernest Hemingway and James Joyce. Vin Diesel would be pulling up outside Trinity College Dublin to deliver the annual lecture on modernist literature. 1/2

There is nothing inherently wrong with writing entertaining books for children. The Harry Potter novels have genuine imaginative qualities, and their contribution to popular reading culture is considerable. But writing an enormously successful fantasy series does not magically endow its creator with the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist. And this, ultimately, is what I find so revealing about her latest essay. She has written herself into the grand narrative of women's emancipation, apparently convinced that she occupies a position of historical significance comparable to the great figures whose intellectual and political achievements helped transform society. Yet virtually every practical advantage she brings to this struggle derives from the colossal fortune generated by a series of children's books. That fortune can finance lawyers, establish charities, support survivors and change lives. Those contributions deserve to be judged on their actual merits. What it cannot purchase is intellectual authority. And it certainly cannot transform a billionaire's personal convictions into incontrovertible truths merely because she has the means to broadcast them to millions. Rowling's money gives her an extraordinarily powerful voice. The tragedy is how increasingly little intellectual discipline she appears to exercise when using it. 2/2"

LOL are we really doing “JKR hasn’t commented on this thing” again? Rent. Free.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 23:49

Who wrote that piece about JKR, CoolforKats?
It's odd to post random unattributed writing - source, please!

It is interesting to see how the 'JKR is evil' vibe is being toned down to well, granted, she writes good children's books, and granted they are hugely popular and granted she had donated millions to good causes and so on..
but she doesn't have the
the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist
and [trigger warning, as this will come as a huge shock to everybody!]
she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker.

There aren't you glad I warned you? because up to now, until our eyes were opened by this writer, every one of us admirers of JKR believed that she absolutely and undeniably is
the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker
as well as a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar and feminist theorist!

I just hope JKR never reads this, it would completely crush her to learn that she is not, as she [apparently] claims to be, the the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:50

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:48

She's never claimed to have moral authority, she just posts what she thinks, same as you.

Except she makes more sense.

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HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:51

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:50

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Crikey. Has that emoji got smaller? Sadly I can't do the bigly writing

BiologicalRobot · 23/10/2026 23:51

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:48

She's never claimed to have moral authority, she just posts what she thinks, same as you.

Except she makes more sense.

Except she makes more sense.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 23:52

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:47

You’re conveniently missing the over arching point that financial success doesn't equal intellectual & moral authority.

The only thing I would add to that is so called 'feminists' with such classist hierarchical sensibilities is an oxymoron.

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Of course it doesn't.
But it enables her to be bulletproof.
Your clan stopped at nothing to cancel anyone dissenting from the agreed line.
I'm close to a local politician who was bullied out of the Greens for wrongspeak.
It doesn't work on her.
You telling me that Atwood, Butler etc have greater "moral authority" than her?
Get off your high horse, you'll fall off from the vertigo.

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:54

BiologicalRobot · 23/10/2026 23:51

Except she makes more sense.

A fair and valid point.

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:55

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 23:49

Who wrote that piece about JKR, CoolforKats?
It's odd to post random unattributed writing - source, please!

It is interesting to see how the 'JKR is evil' vibe is being toned down to well, granted, she writes good children's books, and granted they are hugely popular and granted she had donated millions to good causes and so on..
but she doesn't have the
the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist
and [trigger warning, as this will come as a huge shock to everybody!]
she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker.

There aren't you glad I warned you? because up to now, until our eyes were opened by this writer, every one of us admirers of JKR believed that she absolutely and undeniably is
the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker
as well as a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar and feminist theorist!

I just hope JKR never reads this, it would completely crush her to learn that she is not, as she [apparently] claims to be, the the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës... Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker.

Who wrote that piece about JKR, CoolforKats?
It's odd to post random unattributed writing - source, please!

Why? So you can determine if they are rich enough to be worth listening to?

I believe someone incensed upthread did the detective work for you. Who they are is irrelevant to whether their points are a substantively valid.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 23:56

Wouldn't it be interesting to ask the author of the unattributed piece posted by CoolforKats which particular works of, say, Audre Lorde they had in mind in comparing and contrasting her work her to JKR's?

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:56

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:55

Who wrote that piece about JKR, CoolforKats?
It's odd to post random unattributed writing - source, please!

Why? So you can determine if they are rich enough to be worth listening to?

I believe someone incensed upthread did the detective work for you. Who they are is irrelevant to whether their points are a substantively valid.

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I think I can help you here.

The points are not substantively valid.

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:58

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:56

I think I can help you here.

The points are not substantively valid.

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Of course they aren't. They aren't 'rich' enough.

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:59

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:58

Of course they aren't. They aren't 'rich' enough.

No, they are just ridiculous. I have no idea how rich the incredibly idiotic person is or isn't, but I can see the idiocy.

CoolforKats · 24/10/2026 00:00

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 23:56

Wouldn't it be interesting to ask the author of the unattributed piece posted by CoolforKats which particular works of, say, Audre Lorde they had in mind in comparing and contrasting her work her to JKR's?

Go & ask them. I'm sure they will be keen as mustard to discuss high brow literature with the 'men in dresses' geniuses.

CoolforKats · 24/10/2026 00:04

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:59

No, they are just ridiculous. I have no idea how rich the incredibly idiotic person is or isn't, but I can see the idiocy.

Go & ask them. I'm sure they will be keen as mustard to discuss high brow literature with the GC 'sEx iS rEal' mental giants.

MarieDeGournay · 24/10/2026 00:07

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:55

Who wrote that piece about JKR, CoolforKats?
It's odd to post random unattributed writing - source, please!

Why? So you can determine if they are rich enough to be worth listening to?

I believe someone incensed upthread did the detective work for you. Who they are is irrelevant to whether their points are a substantively valid.

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No, it's just usual to give the source for quotations in posts.
Of course their bank balance is irrelevant to whether their points are a substantively valid, I'm not the one who introduced the topic of people's financial status here!

Whoever the writer is, or whatever their bank-balance is like, I don't think much of what they've written. All those words to say that JKR is not in the same league as Audre Lorde or Jane Austen.
Duh!