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HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 22:47

The Incoherence Never Ends.

Dog and Duck, Snettisham. Summer of '67

BackToLurk · 23/10/2026 22:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:41

Whats the first rule of Judith Butler Fan Club?

Dunno, but I bet it’s really convoluted.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:50

BackToLurk · 23/10/2026 22:49

Dunno, but I bet it’s really convoluted.

Two sides of A4 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:50

This thread is 🔥

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 22:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:50

Two sides of A4 😂

😂

Catiette · 23/10/2026 22:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:41

Whats the first rule of Judith Butler Fan Club?

Ooh, ooh, I'm back cos know this one!

The foundational axiom of Judith Butler Fan Club is to pontificate interminably vis-à-vis Judith Butler Fan Club!

Catiette · 23/10/2026 22:53

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 22:43

'You do not discourse about JBFC'🤔

Damn, you got there first!

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 22:58

We do not talk about Judith Butler Fan Club. Indeed, we embody the reflexive and inherent violence of non-language across a mulitudinous siting of the unverbalised and thus penetrate the fullest expression of that which is understood as a form of verbal neo praxis, nay, the silent formation of our very mirroring of the oppression experienced by us/our proxy selves.

Hedgehogforshort · 23/10/2026 22:59

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 22:44

My mistake. Weren't you supposed to be the peoples against sexist stereotypes?

The incoherence never ends.

Is it so, that “bro” is a pronoun that you have sought to inflict on anonymous people without there consent.

golly you genderists rule breaker should you not ask first?

as far as i am aware it is a golden rule of you peeps in possession of absolute clarity.

Sweetpea232 · 23/10/2026 22:59

It's pointless trying to pin down the language and argue on a level playing field on gender, because gender is a religion.

To have a gender identity of female in a physical body which is male requires the belief that the individual with the gender identity exists separately and independently from the physical body they inhabit.

Otherwise, any feeling a male bodied brain has is, by definition, a male feeling i.e. a feeling a male person is having.

Nothing new about this, many if not most have a similar central belief - that of a non-corporeal "soul". And I've no doubt that many religious people, when thinking about an afterlife, think about continuing to exist in the same basic form, including gender, even if not consciously.

Arguing against 'gendered souls' with facts and figures is likely to be as successful as arguing against any other aspect of a sincerely held religious belief by quoting the lack of physical evidence.

However, we don't need the trans community to stop believing (or stating that they believe) they have changed sex/gender. What we need is for the belief that they have changed gender to be given the weight it deserves - as one belief amongst many, often contradictory beliefs.

We need to challenge why this belief, alone amongst a huge sea of beliefs, is given the status of fact in sections of society. No need to argue with any individual beyond 'I understand you believe that, I believe something else - I'm a gender atheist.'

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:01

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 22:58

We do not talk about Judith Butler Fan Club. Indeed, we embody the reflexive and inherent violence of non-language across a mulitudinous siting of the unverbalised and thus penetrate the fullest expression of that which is understood as a form of verbal neo praxis, nay, the silent formation of our very mirroring of the oppression experienced by us/our proxy selves.

And you can't argue with that.

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 23:02

<clears throat>

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 23:02

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:01

And you can't argue with that.

I bet someone will try tho

Catiette · 23/10/2026 23:02

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 22:58

We do not talk about Judith Butler Fan Club. Indeed, we embody the reflexive and inherent violence of non-language across a mulitudinous siting of the unverbalised and thus penetrate the fullest expression of that which is understood as a form of verbal neo praxis, nay, the silent formation of our very mirroring of the oppression experienced by us/our proxy selves.

Just beautiful. As powerful as the kazoo duet.

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 23:02

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 22:58

We do not talk about Judith Butler Fan Club. Indeed, we embody the reflexive and inherent violence of non-language across a mulitudinous siting of the unverbalised and thus penetrate the fullest expression of that which is understood as a form of verbal neo praxis, nay, the silent formation of our very mirroring of the oppression experienced by us/our proxy selves.

I had no idea that Sir Humphrey Appleby was a MNer!

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 23:04

Catiette · 23/10/2026 23:02

Just beautiful. As powerful as the kazoo duet.

There was nothing powerful about the kazoo duet. Some of us are still in therapy as a result of that evening, you know 😡

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:05

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 23:02

I had no idea that Sir Humphrey Appleby was a MNer!

Oh yes, it was total Sir Humphrey!

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 23:06

Its the Last Minute Bullshit Dissertation of 1998 after being up all night on speed and snakebite, updated with extra pronouns.

Heggettypeg · 23/10/2026 23:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:41

Whats the first rule of Judith Butler Fan Club?

"You must lie upon the daisies and discourse in novel phrases
Of your complicated state of mind.
The meaning doesn't matter, if it's only idle chatter
Of a TRANScendental kind."

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 23:08

It's the second rule of Judith Butler Fan Club that I always struggle with.

murasaki · 23/10/2026 23:08

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 23:06

Its the Last Minute Bullshit Dissertation of 1998 after being up all night on speed and snakebite, updated with extra pronouns.

Well that explains the poor quality, my 1998 last minute bullshit dissertation was fuelled by cocaine and white wine. But then I was the last cohort to get a grant....

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 23:08

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 23:02

I bet someone will try tho

AI says:

An effective counter-argument posits that true political agency and liberation are achieved not through the rejection of structured language, but through its strategic mastery and democratic reclamation.

Which seems like a fair point.

BackToLurk · 23/10/2026 23:10

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2026 23:08

It's the second rule of Judith Butler Fan Club that I always struggle with.

It contradicts the first rule.

Catiette · 23/10/2026 23:10

Heggettypeg · 23/10/2026 23:07

"You must lie upon the daisies and discourse in novel phrases
Of your complicated state of mind.
The meaning doesn't matter, if it's only idle chatter
Of a TRANScendental kind."

And when you're six foot under,
Your sense torn right asunder
By those phrasies of Butlerian renown,
Remember it was pomo
A mad, bad case of FOMO.
That drove the world to celebrate that clown.

Helleofabore · 23/10/2026 23:13

murasaki · 23/10/2026 22:31

To be fair, he wasn't the best at spotting who was a woman. He hd a horrible habit of confusing them with teenage girls.

Still female though.

This was my immediate thought. It creeped me out as a teenager and still does.

But Je suis un rockstar was of its era.

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