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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 15:00

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:54

I suspect the argument is more along the lines that Rowling has a god complex which is pretty on brand for billionaires these days. All that money must literally send them mad.

No dear, the legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and competing rights that you were so quick to point to. Or perhaps you could make them?

GailBlancheViola · 23/10/2026 15:00

Beowulfa · 23/10/2026 14:51

"Legitimate arguments" like No Debate, masked men chucking bottles of piss, teenagers releasing insects, and politicians unable to sex convicted rapists?

Not forgetting TWAW/TMAM - No debate.

Funnily enough the legitimate arguments have been made by women, accepted and agreed with by the SC, EHRC and various other courts and tribunals.

Women and girls have the right to safety, privacy and dignity. Single sex spaces, services, sports, awards, associations are legitimate, legal and operate on the basis of being single sex, full stop, the end.

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:59

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 14:56

No, I think it sends TRAs mad that JKR is a BILLIONAIRE

To be fair, they reserve the same ire for Bindel Joyce & co.

That they are 'just jealous' is pure cope.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 14:56

No, I think it sends TRAs mad that JKR is a BILLIONAIRE

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 14:41

Yes, perhaps he should make those legitimate arguments?

I suspect the argument is more along the lines that Rowling has a god complex which is pretty on brand for billionaires these days. All that money must literally send them mad.

Beowulfa · 23/10/2026 14:51

"Legitimate arguments" like No Debate, masked men chucking bottles of piss, teenagers releasing insects, and politicians unable to sex convicted rapists?

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 14:50

Catiette · 23/10/2026 14:15

Ah, your last sentence! Was feeling a bit sorry for myself (cold) and mood shot skywards in an undignified cackle.

Still imagining it now (and resisting the siren call of AI...

Does any AI do sound as well as image yet...? Imagine!)

🐭🦆... 🪶

No video footage but the following was captured. I believe the dreadful cacophony lead to further unrest.

JKR "An Update to My Essay of June 2020"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 14:41

Yes, perhaps he should make those legitimate arguments?

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 14:39

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:35

And there is a distinction worth preserving. Rowling has genuinely supported survivors of sexual violence, and her charitable contributions deserve recognition. Threats and harassment directed at her are indefensible. There are legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and how competing rights should be accommodated.

There are legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and how competing rights should be accommodated.

...and, no doubt, his argument is LET THE MEN HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 14:38

He’ll be drummed out of the TRA supporters club for that, whichever random came out with that guff.

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:35

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 14:32

Notable that this pompous twaddle doesn't address a single one of the issues that JKR raises about transactivist TIM dogma:

Where women go to undress, he, too, should go to undress. If there’s an award or job advertised as exclusively for women, he should be eligible. Should he wish to play sports, he must be on the women’s team. No breast-feeding or rape support group should be allowed to exclude him. If he’s sexually orientated towards women, lesbians should include him in their dating pool. If convicted of a crime, even rape, he should be locked up with women.

Playing the (wo)man and not the ball(s).

And there is a distinction worth preserving. Rowling has genuinely supported survivors of sexual violence, and her charitable contributions deserve recognition. Threats and harassment directed at her are indefensible. There are legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and how competing rights should be accommodated.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 23/10/2026 14:32

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:06

Lol, X ….

"What strikes me about J.K. Rowling’s essay, published on 21 October, is the sheer scale of the moral and historical importance she has assigned herself. She has effectively cast herself as a latter-day Orwell, defending objective reality against an authoritarian orthodoxy, protecting the working classes from their intellectual overlords, and rescuing feminism from people who have supposedly betrayed it. And the extraordinary thing is that she appears to regard this interpretation of events as so self-evident that it barely requires defending. There is something profoundly self-aggrandising about a billionaire presenting herself as the authentic voice of working-class women while dismissing those who disagree with her as fashionable, privileged ideologues. But the deeper problem is intellectual. Her essay constructs an entire theory of contemporary political power around a single controversy, with Rowling herself occupying the morally indispensable position at its centre. Her treatment of trade unions is particularly revealing. She cites genuine government statistics showing that graduates and higher earners are more likely to belong to unions, then leaps to the conclusion that union leadership has been captured by privileged believers in gender ideology. Those statistics establish a demographic pattern. They tell us nothing about members' views on trans rights. Her account of history is similarly selective. She describes twentieth-century civil rights movements as authentic grassroots struggles, while characterising contemporary trans activism as an elite project imposed from above. Yet feminism, gay liberation and civil rights all drew on academics, lawyers, political organisations and institutional support. She has simply written these complexities out of her historical narrative. Then there is the Orwell quotation. She invokes 1984 to suggest that disagreement over the meaning of woman is equivalent to denying elementary arithmetic. The Supreme Court's 2025 decision did establish the meaning of sex within the Equality Act, while expressly recognising continuing discrimination protections for trans people. That is a legal ruling with specific consequences, rather than the philosophical revelation she makes it out to be. And there is a distinction worth preserving. Rowling has genuinely supported survivors of sexual violence, and her charitable contributions deserve recognition. Threats and harassment directed at her are indefensible. There are legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and how competing rights should be accommodated. What makes the essay so grandiose is the way she converts those questions into a struggle for civilisation itself. Anyone who shares her interpretation is defending objective reality. Anyone who challenges it is participating in an authoritarian campaign against women, whether knowingly or through ideological capture. She has constructed a political universe in which almost every institution is compromised, almost every disagreement confirms her suspicions, and her own extraordinary wealth and influence somehow reinforce her credentials as the champion of the powerless. It reads increasingly like someone who has mistaken the intensity of her personal convictions for the historical importance of her role in defending them. And that final declaration, “I remain on their side,” is particularly revealing. She has appointed herself the representative of millions of women, decided what their interests are, and assumed the authority to pronounce upon everyone else's feminism. That's quite a position for one person to confer upon herself."

😬

Notable that this pompous twaddle doesn't address a single one of the issues that JKR raises about transactivist TIM dogma:

Where women go to undress, he, too, should go to undress. If there’s an award or job advertised as exclusively for women, he should be eligible. Should he wish to play sports, he must be on the women’s team. No breast-feeding or rape support group should be allowed to exclude him. If he’s sexually orientated towards women, lesbians should include him in their dating pool. If convicted of a crime, even rape, he should be locked up with women.

Playing the (wo)man and not the ball(s).

Catiette · 23/10/2026 14:20

A far better use for AI than the paragraph-free twaddle above, anyway. Is the AI as resistant to reading the essay as the Redditors? Talk about a facile bad take.

Catiette · 23/10/2026 14:15

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 10:06

It was the ISIHAC variation so the duet was with a swanney whistle. THAT was what I objected to. It sounded like one of the Clangers was having a fight with a duck.

Ah, your last sentence! Was feeling a bit sorry for myself (cold) and mood shot skywards in an undignified cackle.

Still imagining it now (and resisting the siren call of AI...

Does any AI do sound as well as image yet...? Imagine!)

🐭🦆... 🪶

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 14:15

Who gives a shit?

PriOn1 · 23/10/2026 14:14

Oswald Mosley as a comparator in that Wiki discussion! Think that’s a new one!

GreyskySexRealistsky · 23/10/2026 14:14

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 14:09

Who wrote this?

AI, by the look of it

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 14:09

Who wrote this?

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 14:06

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/10/2026 17:05

Lol, X ….

"What strikes me about J.K. Rowling’s essay, published on 21 October, is the sheer scale of the moral and historical importance she has assigned herself. She has effectively cast herself as a latter-day Orwell, defending objective reality against an authoritarian orthodoxy, protecting the working classes from their intellectual overlords, and rescuing feminism from people who have supposedly betrayed it. And the extraordinary thing is that she appears to regard this interpretation of events as so self-evident that it barely requires defending. There is something profoundly self-aggrandising about a billionaire presenting herself as the authentic voice of working-class women while dismissing those who disagree with her as fashionable, privileged ideologues. But the deeper problem is intellectual. Her essay constructs an entire theory of contemporary political power around a single controversy, with Rowling herself occupying the morally indispensable position at its centre. Her treatment of trade unions is particularly revealing. She cites genuine government statistics showing that graduates and higher earners are more likely to belong to unions, then leaps to the conclusion that union leadership has been captured by privileged believers in gender ideology. Those statistics establish a demographic pattern. They tell us nothing about members' views on trans rights. Her account of history is similarly selective. She describes twentieth-century civil rights movements as authentic grassroots struggles, while characterising contemporary trans activism as an elite project imposed from above. Yet feminism, gay liberation and civil rights all drew on academics, lawyers, political organisations and institutional support. She has simply written these complexities out of her historical narrative. Then there is the Orwell quotation. She invokes 1984 to suggest that disagreement over the meaning of woman is equivalent to denying elementary arithmetic. The Supreme Court's 2025 decision did establish the meaning of sex within the Equality Act, while expressly recognising continuing discrimination protections for trans people. That is a legal ruling with specific consequences, rather than the philosophical revelation she makes it out to be. And there is a distinction worth preserving. Rowling has genuinely supported survivors of sexual violence, and her charitable contributions deserve recognition. Threats and harassment directed at her are indefensible. There are legitimate arguments about privacy, safeguarding and how competing rights should be accommodated. What makes the essay so grandiose is the way she converts those questions into a struggle for civilisation itself. Anyone who shares her interpretation is defending objective reality. Anyone who challenges it is participating in an authoritarian campaign against women, whether knowingly or through ideological capture. She has constructed a political universe in which almost every institution is compromised, almost every disagreement confirms her suspicions, and her own extraordinary wealth and influence somehow reinforce her credentials as the champion of the powerless. It reads increasingly like someone who has mistaken the intensity of her personal convictions for the historical importance of her role in defending them. And that final declaration, “I remain on their side,” is particularly revealing. She has appointed herself the representative of millions of women, decided what their interests are, and assumed the authority to pronounce upon everyone else's feminism. That's quite a position for one person to confer upon herself."

😬

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 13:43

JollySmall · 23/10/2026 13:40

I used to enjoy listening to the remainiacs podcast and thought quite highly of those two at the time. I am very disappointed at the nonsense they spout now.

Edited

Notable that Lynskey didn't say "pseudo science"
Even this TRA knows his science, he just chooses not to follow it.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 13:43

JollySmall · 23/10/2026 13:40

I used to enjoy listening to the remainiacs podcast and thought quite highly of those two at the time. I am very disappointed at the nonsense they spout now.

Edited

Notable that Lynskey didn't say "pseudo science"
Even this TRA knows his science, he just chooses not to follow it.

JollySmall · 23/10/2026 13:40

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 13:36

Very much enjoyed seeing on Bluesky, Ian Dunce has re-posted his TRA mucker Dorian Lynskey effectively saying Rowling is re-cycling "7 years of pseudo philosophical justifications for bigotry", and that "she doesn't have an original thought in her head".
Guys, it's <you> that are out of ideas.

I used to enjoy listening to the remainiacs podcast and thought quite highly of those two at the time. I am very disappointed at the nonsense they spout now.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 13:36

Very much enjoyed seeing on Bluesky, Ian Dunce has re-posted his TRA mucker Dorian Lynskey effectively saying Rowling is re-cycling "7 years of pseudo philosophical justifications for bigotry", and that "she doesn't have an original thought in her head".
Guys, it's <you> that are out of ideas.

SidewaysOtter · 23/10/2026 10:06

Catiette · 22/10/2026 22:43

As a case in point on dissenting views - I loved the kazoo duet. That moment the hurdygurdy came in? With the key change?

Exquisite.

It was the ISIHAC variation so the duet was with a swanney whistle. THAT was what I objected to. It sounded like one of the Clangers was having a fight with a duck.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 23/10/2026 08:54

murasaki · 22/10/2026 22:47

I do think the sousaphone at the end was overkill though.

I can't believe that NOBODY has a mention of the carnyx. It's right proper stirring, and drags the piece kicking and screaming from the harmonic, through the natural and out in to the melodic minor.
Makes me want to put on my warpaint!