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MarieDeGournay · 14/10/2026 16:19

When I first joined this board, I was puzzled by people responding with 'This.' to a post they agreed with.
I could never quite bring myself to do it cos it seemed ... odd.
I notice it has fallen out of favour recently.

Anyway, nauticant - 'This'Smile

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 14/10/2026 16:19

CriticalCondition · 14/10/2026 16:12

I'm unsure whether Sussex ICB CMO is an LGBTQIA+ zealot or another useful idiot but it would be most enlightening if she had been called as a witness.

Either way, the Rs couldn't risk calling her because, as CM pointed out, she is a regulated professional with a duty of candour. Unlike AD et al.

It shouldn't make any difference if you are giving evidence on oath whether you are a regulated professional with a duty of candour or a vastly over-promoted former physiotherapist.

nauticant · 14/10/2026 16:18

There's quite the contrast between the cross-examination styles of CM and Naomi Cunningham. He's very much the grind them down type putting words into their mouth that they have to say and agree with while hating doing so. NC is much more fighty working to get witnesses to say utterly stupid things all on their own. Can't say which might work better, I suppose it's case-by-case.

StSpiridian · 14/10/2026 16:18

The idea a Dr will follow GMC requirements of honesty and candour are very optimistic. Remember the fragrant Dr Upton? The male Dr who (from memory- correct me if wrong) said under oath he's a biological woman and would treat an unconsenting female patient who only agrees to a female clinician?

Justabaker · 14/10/2026 16:15

Hasn't thought it through because it never seemed like having any consequences for him.

Boy was he wrong about that.

nauticant · 14/10/2026 16:12

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 14/10/2026 16:06

I imagined before this tribunal started that Adam Doyle was a LGBTQIA+ zealot who had facilitated Sam Hall setting up her own gender clinic seeing patients from all over the country paid for by Sussex ICB. As it turns out he appears to be an incompetent idiot who was manipulated by LGBTQIA+ zealots like Sam Hall. Actually it's not even been manipulated he just let them get on with it.

I'm unsure whether Sussex ICB CMO is an LGBTQIA+ zealot or another useful idiot but it would be most enlightening if she had been called as a witness.

AD, like many of the people having this enthusiasm, will have spent almost zero percent of his effort in thinking through what he has actually signed up to and what he believes.

CriticalCondition · 14/10/2026 16:12

I'm unsure whether Sussex ICB CMO is an LGBTQIA+ zealot or another useful idiot but it would be most enlightening if she had been called as a witness.

Either way, the Rs couldn't risk calling her because, as CM pointed out, she is a regulated professional with a duty of candour. Unlike AD et al.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 14/10/2026 16:09

Veilsofmorning · 14/10/2026 16:05

Now there’s an image I don’t want in my head 😁

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Yeah. Thanks for that.

CriticalCondition · 14/10/2026 16:06

nauticant · 14/10/2026 16:02

As I guessed, CM engineered things so that AD will be doing most if not more than another day in the chair. AD will have been desperately wishing his ordeal might have ended today. He'll not be spending a pleasant evening.

With the added knowledge that the judge will be spending her evening going through his unredacted diary line by line.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 14/10/2026 16:06

I imagined before this tribunal started that Adam Doyle was a LGBTQIA+ zealot who had facilitated Sam Hall setting up her own gender clinic seeing patients from all over the country paid for by Sussex ICB. As it turns out he appears to be an incompetent idiot who was manipulated by LGBTQIA+ zealots like Sam Hall. Actually it's not even been manipulated he just let them get on with it.

I'm unsure whether Sussex ICB CMO is an LGBTQIA+ zealot or another useful idiot but it would be most enlightening if she had been called as a witness.

Veilsofmorning · 14/10/2026 16:05

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:09

I wonder how often AD will relieve this is his sleep.

Now there’s an image I don’t want in my head 😁

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fanOfBen · 14/10/2026 16:03

What's really striking, to me, is the apparent lack of sensible and effective ETs brought by the most-oppressed people, those with the PC of gender reassignment. Are we just not paying attention to them? Or do they really not exist?

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nauticant · 14/10/2026 16:02

As I guessed, CM engineered things so that AD will be doing most if not more than another day in the chair. AD will have been desperately wishing his ordeal might have ended today. He'll not be spending a pleasant evening.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 16:01

Tomorrow: as long as is needed for Mr Doyle.

😆

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fanOfBen · 14/10/2026 16:00

I should be able to do some c&p tomorrow if that's useful.

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Scout2016 · 14/10/2026 16:00

MarieDeGournay · 14/10/2026 15:48

That's quite a feature of these cases, isn't it?
It's not just a professional matter, it's 'burn the witch'.
Because every knows that anybody who is not full-on trans ally is evil, right?

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What I see is variations on "she knew what she was doing / she deserved it / she's lesser/ she was asking for it / she should have stayed in her lane/ we just forgot she's a person and worth consideration too. "

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:59

Start at 10 am

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:57

Justabaker · 14/10/2026 15:57

Darn it

I want a real clocking of barrister time.

She's such a spoilsport

Justabaker · 14/10/2026 15:57

Darn it

I want a real clocking of barrister time.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:57

Judge calls time.

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fanOfBen · 14/10/2026 15:56

The judge said she had to leave by 16:05, didn't she, so barrister time had better coincide with clock time today?

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nauticant · 14/10/2026 15:55

fanOfBen · 14/10/2026 15:50

Well, what we're seeing is subject to selection bias. It's certainly a feature of those cases that end up at ETs. I wonder where there are lots of other organisations investigating allegations of transphobia in fair and proper ways, which are not landing them in ETs?

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When I did my reading about this case I was struck by one unusual thing. SR fought for years going through investigations, grievances, appeals, all the while as the attacks from the NHS continued and her health suffered. Most people in her position would have given up much much earlier in the utterly grim march through it all. There will be loads of people who did give up earlier and never entered public awareness.

Justabaker · 14/10/2026 15:55

Oh barrister time again.

15:55

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:55

10 mins tops.

Start the clock

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 15:54

Their brains actually fell out didn't they?