Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board & Mr Adam Doyle Thread 2

This may be of interest here. It's a few years old but worth watching if you haven't seen it before

I've now read the new guidance in full, and the dancing shoes are on.

Annex B is history.

No mention of gender variant children. No accommodate according to preference, presentation, and pronouns. No prioritising the trans patient at the expense of others.

Accommodation is by biological sex. For trans identifying patients that remains the default, but single-occupancy rooms can be used as an alternative if needed for the privacy, safety, or dignity of all the patients.

And there's a change to reporting requirements. There used to be a requirement to report breaches; now all departments have to regularly report both breaches and absence of breaches.

I am so very, very behind, and still having trouble keeping track of who everyone is and quite frankly WTF is going on, but I'm persevering, because every now and then the claimant's barrister throws in the odd line that I wish I could have watched being delivered and seen the reaction to. This one is probably the favourite so far:
CM: So you are using information from an undocumented meeting that was not disclosed until last Monday, as your evidence for why the IX was launched in that way?

Wrangling some of the witnesses is rather similar to supervising the nursery class, with George constantly doing that and Sidney swallowing buttons.

I am a bit familiar with Joyce Grenfell - I know 'Stately as a Galleon' and the sketch where she's talking about being a teacher and frequently interjects 'Don't do that please, George'
Henceforth, I'll think of NC saying 'Don't do that please, George' to witnesses😁

I think she came to an arrangement at the end with that hospital and there seems to have been a discussion as a result where the hospital group agreed to change its policy. Let's hope it did so properly, not weaselly - weasellely? - with a positive outcome for all future patients.

I remember this, it was outrageous.

You’re so right. There is a weird belief among some posters that only the public sector (and therefore, the left) has been vulnerable to this. It’s ridiculous, because the underlying issue is SEXISM, which exists on both right and left and in public and private sector workplaces. We need to be vigilant against creeping sexism from our own in all political tribes.

I need to read the whole original document - to be sure it's gone rather than hidden - before I put my dancing shoes on, but that seems to be the case from the reports & press releases.

Are you familiar with Joyce Grenfell? NC's voice is a more modern version of that beautifully enunciated clipped-drawl. Not an exact match, but her saying the words would have much the same effect.

That's a very memorable one:
"She told the Daily Telegraph: ‘I was very traumatised and on the point of collapse following the cancellation. An abscess that had not been visible on scans only a short time earlier had suddenly appeared.
‘They endangered my life by cancelling that operation.’ Ms Steele had required single-sex lavatories and said she would not discuss pronouns in her admission forms for her operation on October 10 last year. She believes she was ‘targeted’ over her gender-critical views when a trans nurse ‘wearing a blonde wig and bright scarlet lipstick’ and not involved in her care entered her private examination room."

Surely none of us can be in the least bit surprised that NHS Sussex were busily destroying evidence left right and centre. It's been a recurring theme in all these cases.

Off the top of my head there was a private hospital that cancelled a woman's surgery because she wanted female only care.

This is 100% true. The private sector would not put up with this .

Not 100% true. Reference the Leonardo ET. That was a large private firm and just as captured, made worse perhaps by being male dominated.

I was referring to the article in the Telegraph. The headline, and early paragraph(s). They write about ‘transwomen’ and females. This misuse of the word women, to describe men in any form, then leads to word not being used in relation to actual women.

Imagining the wonderful Naomi saying 'off their tits on gender Kool-Aid' in that impeccable accent is filling me with joy.

How come in that article, males get the moniker ‘transwomen’, whilst actual women only get females. Talk about deceit and dehumanisation.

Surely, it is all males are barred from female only services. Or all men are barred from women only services. Sick of this weirdness of the only ones being called women being men. And female could just as well be the cat’s mother! Women describe the human female.

Did you say Annex B has gone?!? The one that said trans people can choose to be in the ward for whichever sex they like? Where are the Bigly Letters when I need them? Dumping Annex B in the dustbin of history calls for real celebration!

Nick Wallis posts about Dr Gill keeping the audit quiet...

https://genderblog.net/did-nhs-chief-medical-officer-suppress-puberty-blocker-information/

I've not read the full thing yet, but from the summaries I've seen it's just a republishing of the 2009 single sex accommodation guidelines with Annex B snipped out. Shouldn't have taken them more than 10 minutes.

I think 'should' is OK in this case, knowing how it's usually used in NHS guidance. 'Must' is very strong and tends to be reserved for things like risk to life. It's clear that if 'should' isn't followed it's reportable.

OMG this made me me laugh so much - glad you realised 5he slogan needs to go on the back 😂

The smelling-salts have just brought me back to consciousness - Naomi
Cunningham said 'All off their tits on gender Kool-Aid.'??'😮

I know she says words like 'fuck' but she says them in a professional capacity and what I guess is a fairly posh voice [I've never heard her speak, but I gather from comments..] but 'off their tits' ...😂😂😂

I want 'off their tits on gender Kool-Aid - N. Cunningham' on a t-shirt please, size M😁
On reflection, could I have the slogan printed on the back, not the front please😒

Davy Jones locker strikes again.

Thank you all for the commentary and threads. I couldn't bear to read without the splashes of humour.

J I find this surprising to the point ... I don;t want to say unbelievable but I am very surprised they cannot be found.

When a judge says i don't want to say unbelievable does this really mean i don't believe you

Get off that fence, Naomi, and tell us what you really think