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pronouns on booking form

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Iamawomanofconstantsorrow · 13/10/2026 15:01

What would you put in a form when it demands you fill in the pronoun box or it won't submit, and there is a danger said pronouns will be printed on the name badges? It's a professional conference.

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SirChenjins · 14/10/2026 16:27

I would add - if someone was considering their pronouns as a result of thinking that they may transition (and believed in their heart of hearts that was possible...) then being asked to state them at a point in their life when they were questioning, could be very upsetting.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 16:28

@SeasideWalkaroundStore

Ask a random selection of people in the street to give you a phrase or sentence using the definite article

You what now?

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 16:32

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 14:47

And she could have simply just put 'n/a'. Without drama. Every single person deals with something they consider nonsense at work but we managed to go on without creating issues. Or at least those of us who can hold down a job do that.

Some of us are so rich we don't need to work!

<goes off to count far right money>

StealthTroublemaker · 14/10/2026 16:50

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2026 14:05

I was on an Austrian Airlines flight 3-4 years back. Their announcement that we were beginning our descent was made to 'Ladies and Gentlemen and Everyone Else!'

I don't mind that, TBF. I thought it quite nice, if a bit daft. What I really find unpleasant is being reduced to anatomy: a 'person with a cervix', for eg. This carries other obvious health implications for people who might not know what a cervix is. For whatever reason, not everyone in this country has access to a reasonable quality of education and this doesn't make their lives less worthy than anyone else's.

A 'person who bleeds' is really nasty for a variety of reasons: not least because it's so dehumanising. Might as well tell us what they really think of us and call us cunts.

To be fair all humans bleed sometimes. Which is why it’s so pointless calling women that.

SeasideWalkaroundStore · 14/10/2026 17:08

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2026 14:05

I was on an Austrian Airlines flight 3-4 years back. Their announcement that we were beginning our descent was made to 'Ladies and Gentlemen and Everyone Else!'

I don't mind that, TBF. I thought it quite nice, if a bit daft. What I really find unpleasant is being reduced to anatomy: a 'person with a cervix', for eg. This carries other obvious health implications for people who might not know what a cervix is. For whatever reason, not everyone in this country has access to a reasonable quality of education and this doesn't make their lives less worthy than anyone else's.

A 'person who bleeds' is really nasty for a variety of reasons: not least because it's so dehumanising. Might as well tell us what they really think of us and call us cunts.

Their announcement that we were beginning our descent was made to 'Ladies and Gentlemen and Everyone Else!'

That will probably just get complaints from the kind of people who like to complain about things like this, though, as it 'others' them and lumps them in together rather than acknowledging their perceived 'specialness'.

For some people, you cannot possibly win or be right, whatever you do. Even if you do adapt and try to acquiesce to their demands, they may well change the next day!

I agree 100% that it's nasty and dehumanising to seek to re-classify people according to their body parts. It's kind of the equivalent of when cows are referred to as beef - even when they're still alive e.g. "We have 100 head of beef on this farm". I also hate the idea that 'human resources' is supposedly a nicer name for the workers than 'personnel' - I can fully understand why the name was changed by the corporate giants, but it most definitely wasn't done out of respect for the ordinary folk!

DrBlackbird · 14/10/2026 18:07

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 14/10/2026 08:35

I'm not sure whether there's been research specifically on badges, but there has on pronoun introductions in meetings. Announcing your sex at the start of a meeting - even in person, where everyone can see it anyway - increases sexism against women and internalised stereotype threat. Women speak less and are interrupted or ignored more if they remind people that they are women.

If you could point me to that research, I’d love to read it. I’m constantly pushing back on the asking for pronouns thing.

DrBlackbird · 14/10/2026 18:58

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 14:54

In a social setting - yes it does. In a professional setting - if you don't wish to use someone's preferred pronouns after the first time, and refuse to use a reasonable alternative (name, they etc) then actually you're probably veering more into unprofessional conduct and potential bullying. Most people who work in professional jobs understand this and just get on with it. If you've decided misgendering someone is something you wish to do then don't be surprised when your employer pulls you up.

Ah, it always starts with the ‘it’s only polite’ admonishment but then quite quickly the authoritarian streak quickly surfaces…

You were asked if the accusation of being fragile also applies to people having hurty feelings if not asked for their pronouns (..in a professional setting just like the OP’s).

First, you sidestep the question to answer a question not asked. Then somehow bring in language such as ‘bullying’ and ‘misgendering’ and the threat of employer sanctions. Based a scenario wholly unconnected to this thread’s discussion. Why the need to bring in such implied threats?

When all the op was about was her being forced to provide pronouns when she doesn’t feel they’re appropriate or applicable to her.

… I would absolutely think they are incapable of behaving professionally and keeping their personal opinions out of their work.

She is trying to keep her personal opinions out of her work but the conference organisers insist on bringing their personal opinions about pronouns into a work setting. Yet, she is the one acting unprofessional? There’s never a straightforward answer to this paradox.

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:01

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 16:32

Some of us are so rich we don't need to work!

<goes off to count far right money>

I don't have to work. I doubt you'd be happy to pay the price that it cost me.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:03

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:01

I don't have to work. I doubt you'd be happy to pay the price that it cost me.

You have no clue how I came about my money either so.....

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:05

DrBlackbird · 14/10/2026 18:58

Ah, it always starts with the ‘it’s only polite’ admonishment but then quite quickly the authoritarian streak quickly surfaces…

You were asked if the accusation of being fragile also applies to people having hurty feelings if not asked for their pronouns (..in a professional setting just like the OP’s).

First, you sidestep the question to answer a question not asked. Then somehow bring in language such as ‘bullying’ and ‘misgendering’ and the threat of employer sanctions. Based a scenario wholly unconnected to this thread’s discussion. Why the need to bring in such implied threats?

When all the op was about was her being forced to provide pronouns when she doesn’t feel they’re appropriate or applicable to her.

… I would absolutely think they are incapable of behaving professionally and keeping their personal opinions out of their work.

She is trying to keep her personal opinions out of her work but the conference organisers insist on bringing their personal opinions about pronouns into a work setting. Yet, she is the one acting unprofessional? There’s never a straightforward answer to this paradox.

How should I have answered the question if not with words to describe my reasoning? People have pronouns. Asking which they prefer is perfectly standard in professional environments. If she behaves unprofessionally then her not believing in pronouns or whatever her argument is, is unprofessional - and there are consequences for that in most workplaces. You can disagree with someone - but you can't disrespect them without consequence. That goes both ways.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:06

"You can disagree with someone - but you can't disrespect them without consequence".

Yes you can.

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:09

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:06

"You can disagree with someone - but you can't disrespect them without consequence".

Yes you can.

Not in a professional environment you can't.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:18

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:09

Not in a professional environment you can't.

Again, yes you can.

I should know, I spent years doing just that with some individuals.

ETA: And yes! I know, I'm not a nice person.

I've never claimed I was though!

Bandanina · 14/10/2026 19:20

MagpiePi · 14/10/2026 15:09

We have had our annual 'how amazing is it working for our company' survey. On the first page is the question and the only options to pick 'what is your gender- male/female/Non-binary/prefer not to answer'. It is not possible to answer this truthfully if you do not ascribe to gender ideology as choosing 'prefer not to answer' still implies that you have a gender. This question is mandatory so I couldn't move to the next page and complete the rest of the survey.

It’s like this where I work too and it’s really, really, annoying and actually disrespectful. I try to find a comments box somewhere that will allow me to add any other comments and I make the point that I do not have a gender id and my sex is F. My doing this has had no effect whatsoever but I will keep doing it. It’s about as much as I can do.

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:30

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:03

You have no clue how I came about my money either so.....

But you're the only one bragging about it...

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:31

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:18

Again, yes you can.

I should know, I spent years doing just that with some individuals.

ETA: And yes! I know, I'm not a nice person.

I've never claimed I was though!

Edited

Sounds like a great place to work.

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:39

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:30

But you're the only one bragging about it...

And your point is what?

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 19:39

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:31

Sounds like a great place to work.

It was.

For me.

GreenwayHouse · 14/10/2026 19:40

Brilliant and timely article from the TERF Times about pronoun usage and how sharing them can be helpful.

www.terftimes.com/p/workplace-waring-stripes/

BackToLurk · 14/10/2026 19:54

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:05

How should I have answered the question if not with words to describe my reasoning? People have pronouns. Asking which they prefer is perfectly standard in professional environments. If she behaves unprofessionally then her not believing in pronouns or whatever her argument is, is unprofessional - and there are consequences for that in most workplaces. You can disagree with someone - but you can't disrespect them without consequence. That goes both ways.

Asking which they prefer is perfectly standard in professional environments

In some professional environments. Professionals exist outside white-collar bubbles.

The question is not whether people have the opportunity to share pronouns, but whether they should have the opportunity not to. Increasingly best practice is to provide space for those people who want to share, but not to compel sharing of pronouns.

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 20:04

BackToLurk · 14/10/2026 19:54

Asking which they prefer is perfectly standard in professional environments

In some professional environments. Professionals exist outside white-collar bubbles.

The question is not whether people have the opportunity to share pronouns, but whether they should have the opportunity not to. Increasingly best practice is to provide space for those people who want to share, but not to compel sharing of pronouns.

That is absolutely best practice and something I fully agree with. I would suspect in this case, at a conference, it is most likely one of those professional environments where it is standard - mainly because you have a lot of people meeting for the first time.

StealthTroublemaker · 14/10/2026 20:17

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 19:30

But you're the only one bragging about it...

ummm…….. er………. Did you make your money by volunteering to have the worlds first sarcasm detection removal op?

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 20:23

StealthTroublemaker · 14/10/2026 20:17

ummm…….. er………. Did you make your money by volunteering to have the worlds first sarcasm detection removal op?

To be fair maybe that poster thinks the far right money we supposedly get actually exists.

StealthTroublemaker · 14/10/2026 20:25

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 20:23

To be fair maybe that poster thinks the far right money we supposedly get actually exists.

Aawwww you mean it doesn’t? Dammit Janet!

BackToLurk · 14/10/2026 20:34

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 20:04

That is absolutely best practice and something I fully agree with. I would suspect in this case, at a conference, it is most likely one of those professional environments where it is standard - mainly because you have a lot of people meeting for the first time.

Given that you seem to agree that isn’t best practice to compel pronoun sharing, I’m not sure why you think the OP is being ‘tricky’ or ‘difficult’. Or should people just let poor practice slide?

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