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pronouns on booking form

281 replies

Iamawomanofconstantsorrow · 13/10/2026 15:01

What would you put in a form when it demands you fill in the pronoun box or it won't submit, and there is a danger said pronouns will be printed on the name badges? It's a professional conference.

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SerendipityJane · 14/10/2026 13:42

Like I said, she has the option to not state her pronouns by putting something like a full

That "option" is not equivalent to putting nothing though. Which is what the OP wants to do.

Why are you so determined to erase the OPs gender identity ?

dizzydizzydizzy · 14/10/2026 13:38

SeasideWalkaroundStore · 14/10/2026 13:29

But why should a very obvious female need to put 'she' on her badge - any more than any of the people attending should put 'human' in brackets, just in case anybody who sees them isn't sure what species they are?

In fact, if it's an international conference, there will probably be people there who don't speak English as their native language - so adding 'English', 'French', 'Japanese', 'Swahili' as appropriate might potentially help when meeting new people, so they can anticipate and make allowances for your non-native fluency, or if they also speak your native language fluently, it may be simpler or more courteous to switch if e.g. your Arabic is better than their English... but I bet nobody has been quite as keenly arranging for this as standard on people's badges, have they?

Like I said, she has the option to not state her pronouns by putting something like a full
stop. It is not worth all the stress for something that is going to last a
day or a week max. Storm in a teacup .

SeasideWalkaroundStore · 14/10/2026 13:29

dizzydizzydizzy · 13/10/2026 23:02

Just put she or a full stop …… it’s a conference. You’ll only be wearing it for days.

But why should a very obvious female need to put 'she' on her badge - any more than any of the people attending should put 'human' in brackets, just in case anybody who sees them isn't sure what species they are?

In fact, if it's an international conference, there will probably be people there who don't speak English as their native language - so adding 'English', 'French', 'Japanese', 'Swahili' as appropriate might potentially help when meeting new people, so they can anticipate and make allowances for your non-native fluency, or if they also speak your native language fluently, it may be simpler or more courteous to switch if e.g. your Arabic is better than their English... but I bet nobody has been quite as keenly arranging for this as standard on people's badges, have they?

SerendipityJane · 14/10/2026 13:12

wiredandtired · 14/10/2026 12:25

Sorry OP but this is a complete non-issue. Just write N/A if you don't want to answer. N/A literally means Not Applicable - it's the same as not writing anything.

Its a shame you didn't spend as long reading the thread as you did typing that attempted snark.

Screamingabdabz · 14/10/2026 13:11

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 12:50

In what way are you harmed by being asked which pronouns you would prefer to be referred by? Be specific.

You are being forced to subscribe to religion you don’t believe in. Often in a professional situation where, as an employee, the power imbalance is already against you. It’s dehumanising and it forces you to accept a fundamentally misogynistic ideology.

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2026 12:59

Manyanamanyana · 14/10/2026 05:40

I don't understand what you mean by harm.
Also, I really don't understand why women need to be so cognizant of this indeterminate harm to an undefined group of people, when the very real harms to women resulting from gender ideology are dismissed and speaking out about them is called hateful.

Agreed. To the above poster - the one @Manyanamanyana is responding to - you do not get to tell me what's harmful to me and what isn't. I will decide that, thanks. And I'm not getting into a whole lot of self justification about past sexual trauma to justify why this consideration is important. 'I don't want to' is amply sufficient.

The 'it doesn't harm you' defence is astonishing in its tone-deafness. I've read Gavin de Becker on the point of what it means when a woman says 'no', and people persistently and obstinately hear something else entirely.

The response is no. NO.

nicepotoftea · 14/10/2026 12:57

I'm also not sure that it's entirely polite to ask the preferred pronouns of a trans woman whose name badge says 'Jane'.

nicepotoftea · 14/10/2026 12:53

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 12:50

In what way are you harmed by being asked which pronouns you would prefer to be referred by? Be specific.

Pronouns refer to gender and it is a request to declare identification with a gender.

How is somebody being harmed if somebody just politely declines to declare their pronouns?

alcovecupboards · 14/10/2026 12:50

SwirlyGates · 14/10/2026 10:00

Having to state allegiance to something I don't believe in absolutely causes me harm.

In what way are you harmed by being asked which pronouns you would prefer to be referred by? Be specific.

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2026 12:46

I disagree that this is harmless. It's patently obvious what sex I am, and referring to me accordingly isn't a matter of continual angst or self-reflection. On that account I'm clear about three points:

I'm not holding up a flag announcing my adherence to a set of gendered stereotypes I consider harmful.

I want equal respect for my own right to self-determination. Following this practice means that is sorely lacking.

I will not constantly draw attention to my sex in a society and a workplace where I have personally experienced discrimination because I am female.

I strongly reject that these considerations make me 'transphobic'. I don't want to offer a comment on other people's right to present as they wish. I would simply like the basic courtesy of being allowed to remain silent. Yet in this climate it's inceasingly hard to obey the 'never discuss religion or politics' mantra without being viewed as an 'unsafe' person.

I'm in academia. These practices are entrenched and not at all uncommon. When put on the spot in a meeting I have answered 'that's not a practice I follow'. With a dropdown menu I would probably answer 'any, or none'.

I don't use pronouns I know would offend others. However, I've engaged in linguistic contortionism for years to avoid using sex-based pronouns. It's hard, but you do get practised at it. It kills two birds with one stone. You avoid compromising your own principles and also do not inadvertently offend anyone.

wiredandtired · 14/10/2026 12:27

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/10/2026 12:04

To people for whom it does matter what pronouns they are referred to by, it can cause severe emotional distress and be detrimental to their mental health.

Given that presumably these people will be total strangers whom the OP has not met and may well not ever meet again, why is OP required to act as their therapist and MH nurse and be aware of their emotional reactions? given that this is a professional conference and these are (I assume) professional adults, can't the act like it and manage their emotional reactions instead of expecting everyone else to coddle them?

I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that writing N/A on a form is 'acting as their therapist and MH nurse'.

wiredandtired · 14/10/2026 12:25

Iamawomanofconstantsorrow · 13/10/2026 15:30

There is no option of N/A, it's not a tick box, it's a box you can write whatever you like in.

I can therefore write N/A, but it's annoying not to be able to decline to write anything.

Sorry OP but this is a complete non-issue. Just write N/A if you don't want to answer. N/A literally means Not Applicable - it's the same as not writing anything.

SerendipityJane · 14/10/2026 12:21

SamphiretheTervosaur · 14/10/2026 12:12

Which is why no organisation should be collecting the data

Something they all too often forget

But if they do choose to collect it, then they have an obligation in law to ensure it is kept up to date.

Now speaking for myself - as an old bag - all of this pronoun business is all very confusing and new.

I might have to experiment with a few to ensure I have the right ones.

Maybe changing them 3 times a day.

After all, since they are now (apparently) an integral part of my identity (who knew ?) then it's imperative they are handled with dignity and respect.

As I say, it's hard not to think that there is something in my attitude that wards off pronoun proselytizers

SamphiretheTervosaur · 14/10/2026 12:12

GreenwayHouse · 13/10/2026 17:03

But when you’re talking to them, you won’t be addressing them by pronouns so what does it matter? You would be addressing them by their name or would be calling them “you”.

It’s all nonsense.

Edited

Which is why no organisation should be collecting the data

Something they all too often forget

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/10/2026 12:04

To people for whom it does matter what pronouns they are referred to by, it can cause severe emotional distress and be detrimental to their mental health.

Given that presumably these people will be total strangers whom the OP has not met and may well not ever meet again, why is OP required to act as their therapist and MH nurse and be aware of their emotional reactions? given that this is a professional conference and these are (I assume) professional adults, can't the act like it and manage their emotional reactions instead of expecting everyone else to coddle them?

SirChenjins · 14/10/2026 11:59

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 09:04

I've never bought a drink in Starbucks! In fact I'm not sure I've ever actually been in a Starbucks at all. I Can't imagine giving them my name if I did, certainly not my actual name, cos that would just be weird.

Edited

You just give first name - or a made up name if you prefer. It's just so they can let you know when your drink is ready.

nicepotoftea · 14/10/2026 10:53

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 09:04

I've never bought a drink in Starbucks! In fact I'm not sure I've ever actually been in a Starbucks at all. I Can't imagine giving them my name if I did, certainly not my actual name, cos that would just be weird.

Edited

It's just so that they can say "Flat White for Cleopatra" without getting the orders mixed up. there is not requirement to give your real name.

GreenwayHouse · 14/10/2026 10:47

I left a work meeting five minutes in just now (had “technical issues”) because all the senior people were introducing themselves with their pronouns. I can’t bear it. They’re obviously male or female and no one is going to be referring to them in the third person. It’s performative nonsense.
I couldn’t bear to listen to one more person say “my pronouns are she/her”. These are intelligent, senior people and it feels so out of date to still be announcing pronouns.

Have everyone lost their minds?!

SerendipityJane · 14/10/2026 10:30

similarminimer · 14/10/2026 00:11

For those of you saying ‘just put it down, it doesn’t matter’ - it feels as weird and inappropriate as if there were a box on my name badge for religion - I could just write ‘atheist’ or ‘N/A’ - but why the fuck should I? Why would a work meeting need that to be displayed on my chest - irrelevant and inappropriate and intrusive.

It's the equivalent of being asked:

"Have you stopped beating your children ?"

an insulting question where any answer confirms the premise.

Justme56 · 14/10/2026 10:15

I agree it is performative. I remember when Sturgeon put them in her SM. Suddenly it seemed that everyone was too stupid to realise what pronouns to use for her. I wouldn’t put them on any badge of mine because I don’t like to infer people are stupid.

SwirlyGates · 14/10/2026 10:05

Manyanamanyana · 14/10/2026 08:06

Consent is serious, and I don't consent to men identifying into the category "women", or accessing single sex spaces that are for women, or participating in womens and girls sports, or winning awards set aside for women or taking positions allocated to women or telling me to accept pronouns that are not factual or that men can become women through jedi mind power.
If men have a problem with male gendered stereotypes, and feel they do not fit into them, then fight the bloody stereotype, leave women alone.
Feminists gave up so much throughout history to fight for change, and mostly we had to fight men.
Transactivists appear to me to be too gutless to fight men for changes, or safety in their rightful sports, facilities and spaces, so they trample on womens rights and tell us we are being petty for arguing against the tools, like pronouns, that they are using to strip us of our identity.
So don't come on here and expect us to roll over. We've had generations of this fight for our right to exist as we please, and you honestly think you can persuade us otherwise by scripting which hill you think its appropriate for us to die on.

I want to learn this by heart for whenever I am asked my views on gender ideology!

SwirlyGates · 14/10/2026 10:00

RedCatta · 14/10/2026 07:37

Me? none.
Other people? To people for whom it does matter what pronouns they are referred to by, it can cause severe emotional distress and be detrimental to their mental health.

Tell me with honesty and sincerity that ticking a box and allowing people to clearly know how you would prefer to be referred to causes you similar harm.

Having to state allegiance to something I don't believe in absolutely causes me harm.

BackToLurk · 14/10/2026 09:45

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 14/10/2026 08:35

I'm not sure whether there's been research specifically on badges, but there has on pronoun introductions in meetings. Announcing your sex at the start of a meeting - even in person, where everyone can see it anyway - increases sexism against women and internalised stereotype threat. Women speak less and are interrupted or ignored more if they remind people that they are women.

Feminists spent years trying to get rid of this shit and now it’s been repackaged as somehow progressive.

MoistVonL · 14/10/2026 09:30

Boiledbeetle · 14/10/2026 09:04

I've never bought a drink in Starbucks! In fact I'm not sure I've ever actually been in a Starbucks at all. I Can't imagine giving them my name if I did, certainly not my actual name, cos that would just be weird.

Edited

One of my kids gives a different name every time. Ideally one hard to spell or pronounce. One finds one's amusements where one can, I guess.

@RedCatta , giving preferred pronouns is agreeing to the sexist concept of gender ideology. I have a sex, not a gender identity, and I don't consent to having a gender identity assigned to me.

RedCatta · 14/10/2026 09:09

StealthTroublemaker · 14/10/2026 07:45

I was actually #beingkind and trying to ignore that.

Well done and thank you for not falling into an ad hominem diversion over a typo; they really aren't the gotcha people think they are.

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