Organisations refusing to give their single sex spaces policy - David Lloyd for example

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 2026-05-28T15:27:02+00:00

I have been trying for a long time to get a written policy out of David Lloyds for about a year. they are still refusing to do so. Anyone got any suggestions? And What other orgs are refusing to do it? Is this the next trench we have to fight in? Getting the damned thing written down?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/07/2026 20:46

SwirlyGates · 16/07/2026 18:07

Well amidst all that waffle I did spot a commitment to separate male and female changing rooms, which will presumably actually be single-sex.

We have all learned not to trust words any more though right, what sort of females do they mean after all….

AND they are two days out of date, it’s been commenced, which is what My reply email said!

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icingonmycupcake · 16/07/2026 18:12

Ultimately they'll have to obey the law. And they won't have the luxury of procrastination if there's a legal time frame for compliance. Especially as they know you're keeping a close eye on the situation.

SwirlyGates · 16/07/2026 18:07

Well amidst all that waffle I did spot a commitment to separate male and female changing rooms, which will presumably actually be single-sex.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/07/2026 17:09

Would anyone like to read the letter I got from the regional manager?

Organisations refusing to give their single sex spaces policy - David Lloyd for example

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/07/2026 13:04

Letter to the area manager

[email protected] is the email if any of you want to d the same? please do!!

Dear xxxx,
Thank you for your previous correspondence about David Lloyd’s approach to changing rooms and toilets.

The EHRC’s updated statutory Code of Practice has now completed its 40-day parliamentary scrutiny period and is proceeding towards commencement. This removes the uncertainty referred to in your letters of 10 and 15 June.

I would be grateful if you could explain how David Lloyd intends to implement the Supreme Court’s judgment and the new Code across its clubs, particularly in relation to ensuring that facilities described as male or female are properly operated as single-sex facilities.

I would also welcome the opportunity to meet you face to face the next time you visit the Brighton club. Please let me know whether this can be arranged.
Women and girls understandably want confidence that changing rooms and toilets provided for them offer genuine safety, privacy and dignity. This is a mainstream and reasonable expectation. I hope David Lloyd will approach the clarification of the law positively and confidently, and embrace the opportunity to provide members with a clear, consistent and lawful policy.

Kind regards,
xxx xxxx
Membership number: xxxxx

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/07/2026 12:57

Letter to the local manager:

Dear xxxxx,

I would like to meet with you to discuss how David Lloyd Brighton will comply with the Supreme Court’s judgment on the meaning of sex under the Equality Act 2010, and with the EHRC’s new statutory Code of Practice.

The Code has now completed its 40-day parliamentary scrutiny period and is awaiting the remaining commencement and revocation orders. It is expected to come into force in early August, potentially on or around 4 August 2026.

David Lloyd’s complaints procedure states that I may request a meeting with the club manager and that the club will agree to this. Please therefore suggest a suitable time for us to meet.

My aim is to understand what practical steps the club will take to ensure that its single-sex changing rooms and toilets are properly operated and enforced as single-sex facilities, so that women can be confident they are using a safe, dignified and private environment.

Kind regards,
xxxx xxxx
Membership number: xxxxxx

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/07/2026 16:34

Going to bring this back to David Lloyd's sorry everyone - though it is interesting.

Basically I have been given the massive brush off - again - and as the EHRC guidance could well be in effect Friday - I just can't move the damned needle between now and then so I have not.

however

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5551007-coordinated-efforts-to-ensure-the-ehrc-code-on-single-sex-spaces-is-being-followed-after-july9th

I am going to put them on the list of local places to get the heavy lean and see what they do. I am 90% sure they will just fold with the guidance now

Coordinated efforts to ensure the EHRC code on single sex spaces is being followed after July9th | Mumsnet

Assuming it’s not shot by then - and that’s looking increasingly unlikely…(but not impossible) I’ll assume that Sex Matters and friends will be keepi...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5551007-coordinated-efforts-to-ensure-the-ehrc-code-on-single-sex-spaces-is-being-followed-after-july9th

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UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 18:10

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 18:07

do You know how long the campaign took? It was literally years.

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I'm sure. It took us years to get change at our local hospital. Many hospital are still mixed.

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 18:08

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 18:00

You said I could freely leave. I can’t. I’m not saying it’s the same but I can’t freely leave. I need someone to come and get me. I’ve had to be admitted overnight following meltdown. It’s not as easy as you’re portraying it. You don’t know what it’s like for me to live with. And I can’t describe it.

I also make the choice go to the gym expecting that the female changing rooms will only include women. Not men who have decided that they’re women. And if there isn’t a clear application of the law then I could find myself in that position again and again.

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Sadly, sectioned women being abused on psych wards have noone to come and get them.

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 18:07

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 18:05

This was happening way before that. There was guidance around bedrooms and bathrooms being separate. But not wards.

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do You know how long the campaign took? It was literally years.

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 18:07

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 18:02

im not going to respond to you anymore as I don’t believe you’re posting fairly towards me. I’ve tried to express how much sympathy I have for you and I am desperately sorry that you went through what you did but that doesn’t mean that no one else’s trauma counts. You have NO idea what I live with day to day. I’m sorry you have it hard but to try to accuse me of saying things I never said is despicable.

I don’t want a man in a women’s single sex space. Not even one who thinks he’s a genuine woman. No even the real trans ones. The law says they need to stay out. And they should.

Then aim your comments at those who disagree with you. You're just having an argument with yourself at this point.

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 18:05

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 17:54

it has always been the law. Stonewall tried to convince everyone it was not the law. FWS Scotland got the highest court in the UK to confirm it was the law and define sex as biological.

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This was happening way before that. There was guidance around bedrooms and bathrooms being separate. But not wards.

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 18:02

im not going to respond to you anymore as I don’t believe you’re posting fairly towards me. I’ve tried to express how much sympathy I have for you and I am desperately sorry that you went through what you did but that doesn’t mean that no one else’s trauma counts. You have NO idea what I live with day to day. I’m sorry you have it hard but to try to accuse me of saying things I never said is despicable.

I don’t want a man in a women’s single sex space. Not even one who thinks he’s a genuine woman. No even the real trans ones. The law says they need to stay out. And they should.

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 18:00

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:57

I honestly don't know why you are carrying this on. The point I was making is being sectioned in hospital is different. You would not in that situation be there for months on end being abused every day. You had the choice as to if you wanted to enter the gym initially too.

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You said I could freely leave. I can’t. I’m not saying it’s the same but I can’t freely leave. I need someone to come and get me. I’ve had to be admitted overnight following meltdown. It’s not as easy as you’re portraying it. You don’t know what it’s like for me to live with. And I can’t describe it.

I also make the choice go to the gym expecting that the female changing rooms will only include women. Not men who have decided that they’re women. And if there isn’t a clear application of the law then I could find myself in that position again and again.

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:57

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 17:51

How the actual bastarding fuck do you expect me to leave a gym when I’m banging my head so hard against the wall I’ve given myself two black eyes? When I’ve wet and pooed myself? When I’m curled up in a ball screaming? When I’m trying to claw my skin off from the inside out? Pull my face off myself?

wise up. I can’t “freely leave” when I’m in a trauma melt down.

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I honestly don't know why you are carrying this on. The point I was making is being sectioned in hospital is different. You would not in that situation be there for months on end being abused every day. You had the choice as to if you wanted to enter the gym initially too.

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 17:54

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:51

The law since when?

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it has always been the law. Stonewall tried to convince everyone it was not the law. FWS Scotland got the highest court in the UK to confirm it was the law and define sex as biological.

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 17:53

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:51

The law since when?

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It always has been. But the trans advocates sold the world a pup. And the case that clarified it was in April 2025.

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 17:52

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:50

I see. No they didn't help.

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Yes they did. They took the case to the Supreme Court that clarified the law on single sex spaces.

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:51

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 17:51

Umm.. you think the hospital caved because of you, or because it was made very clear it was the law if you are in the UK?

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The law since when?

Taztoy · 05/07/2026 17:51

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:48

I apologise if I misunderstood. I said surely you can see the difference and you said you couldn't freely leave a gym either. But if you feel I am lying about you as I feel you are lying about me then I suggest we agree to leave it there as it is obviously causing upset on both sides.

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How the actual bastarding fuck do you expect me to leave a gym when I’m banging my head so hard against the wall I’ve given myself two black eyes? When I’ve wet and pooed myself? When I’m curled up in a ball screaming? When I’m trying to claw my skin off from the inside out? Pull my face off myself?

wise up. I can’t “freely leave” when I’m in a trauma melt down.

Theunchosenone · 05/07/2026 17:51

UndertheCedartree · 05/07/2026 17:45

I don't know what FWS means but no there was noone else fighting it just me and a couple of other women from the hospital.

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Umm.. you think the hospital caved because of you, or because it was made very clear it was the law if you are in the UK?