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Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 22/05/2026 13:56

Basically, it's a lie and the government should not be in the business of falsifying official documents.

But on top of that:

  • It reduces trust
  • it perverts stats and analysis
  • it reduces protections based upon sex
  • People start to think sex really is changeable, or worse, just a piece of paper, when it's not, it's binary and immutable
  • All sorts of issues in the NHS with sex based healthcare

The EHRC guidance ties itself in knots trying to deal with the fact we don't reliably record sex, the most basic of information.

A humane society can treat people with courtesy without falsifying reality. Trans people should not be treated differently to others, they should have every right to an existence free from abuse. But these legal fictions are no good for anyone.

You cannot become female at the stroke of a pen.

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Fidgetbreak · 26/05/2026 22:00

Great discussion, thanks.

I am in favour of repealing the GRA and changing documents back in principle. However, I am minded that what is important is the goal. For me, that is to remove this notion that a person can change sex from law and restore integrity to official documents.

Whether the best method is to repeal the GRA, reform the GRA, make new laws and policies that override the GRA, or some combination in whatever order, then I'll be in favour of the most sensible approach that avoids unintended negative consequences.

I hope there are some legal experts that are willing and able to formulate a good proposal.

OldCrone · 26/05/2026 21:44

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2026 21:33

Exactly!

And although not in any way supporting surgery, in the past this was assumed to be the pathway.

"Living as" to confirm the certainly of want surgery.

Not just some play acting as and when suited.

But what is required isn't even play acting.

Mr John Smith (male) changes his name to Mrs Jane Smith and acquires documents which say he is female.

According to the GRA requirements, he is now living as a woman, even though he hasn't changed his appearance or lifestyle in any way.

The people who support the GRA need to make clear how living as a woman is different from living as a man, particularly when pregnancy is no bar to a woman's claim that she is living as a man.

What do they really mean by 'living as a gender'?

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2026 21:37

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2026 21:33

Exactly!

And although not in any way supporting surgery, in the past this was assumed to be the pathway.

"Living as" to confirm the certainly of want surgery.

Not just some play acting as and when suited.

In fact in terms of prisoners etc., wasn't it once that any man who still had his penis could not be in any allocated women only space, service.

Is there any record of how many men have actually had gender re-assignment surgery? The recent quote of only 10,000 GRCs having been issued in the UK could include at least half if not more still being attached to their penis.

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2026 21:33

OldCrone · 26/05/2026 21:24

Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

But none of that is living in a gender, it's all just about documentation, not about the way someone lives their life.

And it seems that pregnancy or fatherhood after obtaining a GRC isn't evidence that the person isn't living in their acquired gender.

So what is living in a different gender all about? Is it really only about changing a name to one which is typical of the opposite sex, or is there any more to it?

Exactly!

And although not in any way supporting surgery, in the past this was assumed to be the pathway.

"Living as" to confirm the certainly of want surgery.

Not just some play acting as and when suited.

OldCrone · 26/05/2026 21:24

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 25/05/2026 16:36

What does it mean to 'live in a gender'?

I think the answer has to lie in the criteria used to satisfy a Gender Recognition Panel that the applicant "has lived in the acquired gender throughout the period of two years ending with the date on which the application is made"

GRA 2004, 2 (1) (b)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

What are these criteria?
GRA 2004, 3 (6) (b) and (c)

3. Evidence

(6) Any application under section 1(1) must include—
(b) any other information or evidence required by an order made by the Secretary of State, and
(c) any other information or evidence which the Panel which is to determine the application may require
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/3

What this means in practice:

Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years

You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.

Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:

  • evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
  • at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
  • evidence from a variety of different sources

The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:

  • your driving licence
  • your passport
  • identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
  • letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
  • bank statements
  • payslips, P60s and P45s
  • benefit letters
  • tax letters and documents, including council tax
  • credit reports
  • confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
  • student loan statements
  • utility bills, such as internet bills
  • rental agreements
  • academic certificates and documents

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/what-documents-you-need

In short, all that is needed to "live in a gender" seems to be as little as:

  • a name that matches up with the gender
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’ that matches up with the gender
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

Even these can be waived and/or do not even need to be evidenced by "official" documentation.

Minutes of 2018 Gender Recognition Panel User Group Meeting

Judge Bennett: "Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer. a manager, a doctor or school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living In their gender."

Judge Bennett: "Letters could also come from an applicants job, DWP, HMRC,
changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable."

"[Redacted] noted that she had been worried about the list of documents but now understands they are Just examples and not demands.

Judge Bennett said that the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application Is considered on its own merits.

Judge Bennett said that the Panel's administration team takes the position of suggesting to applicants that they provide more information; they don't require It from them before their application goes to the Panel."

"Judge Bennett said there are some common misconceptions about the Panel.

The first assumption - which Is wrong - is that you have to wait until the age of 18 before the two-year period of transition begins prlor to making an application, but In fact the transition can start from two years before 18."

In "GRC User Group Minutes 2005-2018"
https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

That document is linked from:

"Applying for a gender-recognition certificate: the facts"
by Sex Matters

“The GRA is clear that an applicant must show they have been living In their gender for two years… The applicant does not need to send a large number of documents to show this; 2–3 Items per year should suffice.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

“Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer, a manager, a doctor, school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living in their gender…. Letters could also come from an applicant’s job, DWP, HMRC, changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable….. the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application is considered on its own merits.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Applying-for-a-gender-recognition-certificate.pdf

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The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.

A fraudulent statutory declaration means that the person committed perjury at the time of making the declaration. It just has to be true that when making the declaration a person, in this case, "intends to continue to live in the acquired gender until death"

GRA2004 2 (1) (c)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Otherwise, anyone who has a GRC and later detransitions (ie. by changing their name, title and gender marker) could be prosecuted.

The Gender Recognition Panel has been asked how it would deal with circumstances when a male with a GRC fathers a child or a female with a GRC becomes pregnant and gives birth. eg.

Gender Recognition Panel User Group meeting minutes for 10th November in London and 25th November in Manchester (2015?)

8. We have seen evidence that the panel often issues directions when the applicant has recently had a child. If all other aspects of an application were perfect, would the panel issue a GRC to a pregnant man?

The Policy team stated that they were not aware of any consideration having been given to the conception of children in one's birth gender, or the relevance of such matters to applications for gender recognition certificates, during the Parliamentary debates that preceded the passing of the GRA.

The assessment of the facts against the conditions laid out in the GRA is a matter for the GRP in any particular case. If the GRP is satisfied that the applicant meets the statutory conditions, it must grant the application.

All applications are reviewed on a case by case basis. (Policy)

The President added that the GRP never discuss specific applicant's circumstances or specific applications at these meetings. . Each application is considered on its merits. This may include requesting additional information if a transgender man has recently had a baby or is pregnant at the time of the application. All applications must comply with Section 2(1)(b) and (c) GRA. Section 3(6)(c) allows the Panel to seek such other information or evidence which the Panel may require to determine the application. Applicants cannot fetter the power of the judiciary to seek further information to allow them to consider an application

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

I used Perplexity AI to unravel some of the legal issues and included IVF as that came up in the case of Freddy McConnell, when the Judge asked the Sec of State if he intended to prosecute Freddy and the Sec of State declined to do so.

Issue
Whether a false statutory declaration under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 can be prosecuted under section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911, and whether later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF use by a GRC holder is itself enough to establish falsity or criminal liability.

Short answer
The relevant criminal offence is section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911. The prosecution would have to prove that the declaration made under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was knowingly and wilfully false in a material particular when made. Later parenthood or fertility treatment may be evidentially relevant, but it is not enough on its own to prove the original declaration was false.

Law
Section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 requires a statutory declaration that the applicant has lived in the acquired gender for at least two years and intends to continue to do so until death. Section 9 provides that, once issued, a full GRC changes the person’s gender for legal purposes, subject to statutory exceptions.

Section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 makes it an offence to make, in a statutory declaration, a statement false in a material particular, if done knowingly and wilfully. The statutory test is therefore falsity plus deliberate dishonesty, not merely later inconsistency.

Application
The declaration under section 2 is a statement of present intention. To prove it false, it would be necessary to show that, when the declaration was made, the applicant did not genuinely intend to live in the acquired gender permanently until death and knew that the declaration was untrue.

Later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF treatment may be circumstantial evidence from which a court might infer something about earlier intention, but they do not automatically establish that the original declaration was false. That is especially so because section 9 expressly preserves the person’s parental status, so the statute does not treat later fatherhood or motherhood as inconsistent with recognition.

IVF point
The provisions identified above do not themselves create a criminal offence merely because a person with a GRC seeks IVF. Any criminal liability would have to arise under a separate, specific offence in the reproductive-law framework, not from sections 2 or 9 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 or section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 alone.

Conclusion
On the black-letter law identified here, the prosecution case would turn on proof of deliberate falsity at the time of the section 2 declaration. Later reproduction, including childbirth or IVF, is not by itself enough to prove fraud or to found a criminal offence under the provisions considered here.

References
Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 2:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 9:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/9

Perjury Act 1911, section 5:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6/section/5/enacted

Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

But none of that is living in a gender, it's all just about documentation, not about the way someone lives their life.

And it seems that pregnancy or fatherhood after obtaining a GRC isn't evidence that the person isn't living in their acquired gender.

So what is living in a different gender all about? Is it really only about changing a name to one which is typical of the opposite sex, or is there any more to it?

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2026 19:48

Just adding this here as thought some of this thread would find it interesting!

We don’t have gender self-identity legally in the UK (where men simply can say they are women and it becomes a legal fact) but it would be hard to find where the line is held against it. That line must be held by women and women must not be fooled by this guidance.

Interpreting terrible law via risible guidance does nothing to protect women from terrible men. The only thing that will reverse the state we are in is to overturn the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and remove “Gender Reassignment” as a protected category in the Equality Act.

There is no point thinking a battle is over when you can still feel the knife in your back.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-third-man/

(apolgies if already posted)

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 26/05/2026 18:19

Probably far fewer than the self IDed

mrshoho · 25/05/2026 19:47

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 25/05/2026 16:36

What does it mean to 'live in a gender'?

I think the answer has to lie in the criteria used to satisfy a Gender Recognition Panel that the applicant "has lived in the acquired gender throughout the period of two years ending with the date on which the application is made"

GRA 2004, 2 (1) (b)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

What are these criteria?
GRA 2004, 3 (6) (b) and (c)

3. Evidence

(6) Any application under section 1(1) must include—
(b) any other information or evidence required by an order made by the Secretary of State, and
(c) any other information or evidence which the Panel which is to determine the application may require
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/3

What this means in practice:

Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years

You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.

Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:

  • evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
  • at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
  • evidence from a variety of different sources

The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:

  • your driving licence
  • your passport
  • identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
  • letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
  • bank statements
  • payslips, P60s and P45s
  • benefit letters
  • tax letters and documents, including council tax
  • credit reports
  • confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
  • student loan statements
  • utility bills, such as internet bills
  • rental agreements
  • academic certificates and documents

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/what-documents-you-need

In short, all that is needed to "live in a gender" seems to be as little as:

  • a name that matches up with the gender
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’ that matches up with the gender
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

Even these can be waived and/or do not even need to be evidenced by "official" documentation.

Minutes of 2018 Gender Recognition Panel User Group Meeting

Judge Bennett: "Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer. a manager, a doctor or school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living In their gender."

Judge Bennett: "Letters could also come from an applicants job, DWP, HMRC,
changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable."

"[Redacted] noted that she had been worried about the list of documents but now understands they are Just examples and not demands.

Judge Bennett said that the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application Is considered on its own merits.

Judge Bennett said that the Panel's administration team takes the position of suggesting to applicants that they provide more information; they don't require It from them before their application goes to the Panel."

"Judge Bennett said there are some common misconceptions about the Panel.

The first assumption - which Is wrong - is that you have to wait until the age of 18 before the two-year period of transition begins prlor to making an application, but In fact the transition can start from two years before 18."

In "GRC User Group Minutes 2005-2018"
https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

That document is linked from:

"Applying for a gender-recognition certificate: the facts"
by Sex Matters

“The GRA is clear that an applicant must show they have been living In their gender for two years… The applicant does not need to send a large number of documents to show this; 2–3 Items per year should suffice.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

“Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer, a manager, a doctor, school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living in their gender…. Letters could also come from an applicant’s job, DWP, HMRC, changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable….. the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application is considered on its own merits.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Applying-for-a-gender-recognition-certificate.pdf

+++

The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.

A fraudulent statutory declaration means that the person committed perjury at the time of making the declaration. It just has to be true that when making the declaration a person, in this case, "intends to continue to live in the acquired gender until death"

GRA2004 2 (1) (c)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Otherwise, anyone who has a GRC and later detransitions (ie. by changing their name, title and gender marker) could be prosecuted.

The Gender Recognition Panel has been asked how it would deal with circumstances when a male with a GRC fathers a child or a female with a GRC becomes pregnant and gives birth. eg.

Gender Recognition Panel User Group meeting minutes for 10th November in London and 25th November in Manchester (2015?)

8. We have seen evidence that the panel often issues directions when the applicant has recently had a child. If all other aspects of an application were perfect, would the panel issue a GRC to a pregnant man?

The Policy team stated that they were not aware of any consideration having been given to the conception of children in one's birth gender, or the relevance of such matters to applications for gender recognition certificates, during the Parliamentary debates that preceded the passing of the GRA.

The assessment of the facts against the conditions laid out in the GRA is a matter for the GRP in any particular case. If the GRP is satisfied that the applicant meets the statutory conditions, it must grant the application.

All applications are reviewed on a case by case basis. (Policy)

The President added that the GRP never discuss specific applicant's circumstances or specific applications at these meetings. . Each application is considered on its merits. This may include requesting additional information if a transgender man has recently had a baby or is pregnant at the time of the application. All applications must comply with Section 2(1)(b) and (c) GRA. Section 3(6)(c) allows the Panel to seek such other information or evidence which the Panel may require to determine the application. Applicants cannot fetter the power of the judiciary to seek further information to allow them to consider an application

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

I used Perplexity AI to unravel some of the legal issues and included IVF as that came up in the case of Freddy McConnell, when the Judge asked the Sec of State if he intended to prosecute Freddy and the Sec of State declined to do so.

Issue
Whether a false statutory declaration under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 can be prosecuted under section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911, and whether later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF use by a GRC holder is itself enough to establish falsity or criminal liability.

Short answer
The relevant criminal offence is section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911. The prosecution would have to prove that the declaration made under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was knowingly and wilfully false in a material particular when made. Later parenthood or fertility treatment may be evidentially relevant, but it is not enough on its own to prove the original declaration was false.

Law
Section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 requires a statutory declaration that the applicant has lived in the acquired gender for at least two years and intends to continue to do so until death. Section 9 provides that, once issued, a full GRC changes the person’s gender for legal purposes, subject to statutory exceptions.

Section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 makes it an offence to make, in a statutory declaration, a statement false in a material particular, if done knowingly and wilfully. The statutory test is therefore falsity plus deliberate dishonesty, not merely later inconsistency.

Application
The declaration under section 2 is a statement of present intention. To prove it false, it would be necessary to show that, when the declaration was made, the applicant did not genuinely intend to live in the acquired gender permanently until death and knew that the declaration was untrue.

Later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF treatment may be circumstantial evidence from which a court might infer something about earlier intention, but they do not automatically establish that the original declaration was false. That is especially so because section 9 expressly preserves the person’s parental status, so the statute does not treat later fatherhood or motherhood as inconsistent with recognition.

IVF point
The provisions identified above do not themselves create a criminal offence merely because a person with a GRC seeks IVF. Any criminal liability would have to arise under a separate, specific offence in the reproductive-law framework, not from sections 2 or 9 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 or section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 alone.

Conclusion
On the black-letter law identified here, the prosecution case would turn on proof of deliberate falsity at the time of the section 2 declaration. Later reproduction, including childbirth or IVF, is not by itself enough to prove fraud or to found a criminal offence under the provisions considered here.

References
Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 2:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 9:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/9

Perjury Act 1911, section 5:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6/section/5/enacted

I wonder how many, if any, prosecutions there has been for those offence? I wonder how many holders of a GRC have been sent to prison for committing male based crimes; rapes, sexual assaults? Do they tag this offence on? I doubt it.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 25/05/2026 19:23

I forgot to mention, when I included a link to the Declaration on Women's Sex-based Rights earlier, the WDI UK Campaign: Restore Safeguarding - End Sex Falsification.

🤦‍♀️

This includes but is not limited to Repeal of the GRA.

There is a new WDI-UK website and Substack - and a huge backlog of material to add to them. I got started on this but had to have a break when I was standing for Party of Women in the Local Elections. To be resumed when I can tear myself away from posting on Mumsnet 😳

The WDI UK website has not got an SSL certificate to make it so you might get a warning message when trying to access it but it is perfectly legit and will not steal your information (or whatever other dire message might pop up).

WDI UK Campaign
Restore Safeguarding - End Sex Falsification
http://womensdeclaration.uk/actions/campaign/

WDI-UK CAMPAIGN BRIEFING: July 2024
RESTORE SAFEGUARDING – END SEX FALSIFICATION
Remove the category of ‘gender’ from law, policy and practice
http://womensdeclaration.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/2024-07-17-WDI-UK-GRA-REPEAL-BRIEFING-Maureen-OHara.pdf

WDI-UK Conference July 2024
Restore Safeguarding – End Sex Falsification – Repeal the GRA (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://womensdeclaration.uk/conference-2024/
same info on Substack:
https://wdiuk.substack.com/p/conference-2024

WDI-UK Report Dec 2024
RESTORE SAFEGUARDING – END SEX FALSIFICATION
Why the UK Government should repeal the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and remove the concepts of ‘gender reassignment’ and ‘gender identity’ from all law, policy and practice
http://womensdeclaration.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/WDI_UK_RESTORE_SAFEGUARDING_END_SEX_FALSIFICATION.pdf

WDI-UK Letter to Prime Minister, Ministers and Peers: Dec 2024
Restore Safeguarding - End Sex Falsification
https://womensdeclaration.com/documents/429/campaign_email_for_ministers.pdf

WDI Conference 2025
Building International TERF Sisterhood +
End Sex Falsification and Restore Safeguarding
WDI-UK Campaign
http://womensdeclaration.uk/conference-2025-wdi-global-conference/
same info on Substack:
https://wdiuk.substack.com/p/conference-2025-wdi-global-conference

I need to update the Conference 2025 posts to include Alessandra Asteriti's talk and any others that are relevant that I missed. In the meantime . . .
https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/wdiconference

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 25/05/2026 16:36

OldCrone · 24/05/2026 21:28

What it says is that applicants have to declare that they will live in their acquired gender permanently.

The GRA 2004 requires applicants to sign a formal statutory declaration stating their intention to live in their acquired gender permanently. The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment.

What does it mean to 'live in a gender'? Without a clear definition of what this means, it would be impossible for someone to be prosecuted for not living in their acquired gender when they said they would.

What does it mean to 'live in a gender'?

I think the answer has to lie in the criteria used to satisfy a Gender Recognition Panel that the applicant "has lived in the acquired gender throughout the period of two years ending with the date on which the application is made"

GRA 2004, 2 (1) (b)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

What are these criteria?
GRA 2004, 3 (6) (b) and (c)

3. Evidence

(6) Any application under section 1(1) must include—
(b) any other information or evidence required by an order made by the Secretary of State, and
(c) any other information or evidence which the Panel which is to determine the application may require
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/3

What this means in practice:

Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years

You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.

Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:

  • evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
  • at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
  • evidence from a variety of different sources

The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:

  • your driving licence
  • your passport
  • identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
  • letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
  • bank statements
  • payslips, P60s and P45s
  • benefit letters
  • tax letters and documents, including council tax
  • credit reports
  • confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
  • student loan statements
  • utility bills, such as internet bills
  • rental agreements
  • academic certificates and documents

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/what-documents-you-need

In short, all that is needed to "live in a gender" seems to be as little as:

  • a name that matches up with the gender
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’ that matches up with the gender
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

Even these can be waived and/or do not even need to be evidenced by "official" documentation.

Minutes of 2018 Gender Recognition Panel User Group Meeting

Judge Bennett: "Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer. a manager, a doctor or school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living In their gender."

Judge Bennett: "Letters could also come from an applicants job, DWP, HMRC,
changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable."

"[Redacted] noted that she had been worried about the list of documents but now understands they are Just examples and not demands.

Judge Bennett said that the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application Is considered on its own merits.

Judge Bennett said that the Panel's administration team takes the position of suggesting to applicants that they provide more information; they don't require It from them before their application goes to the Panel."

"Judge Bennett said there are some common misconceptions about the Panel.

The first assumption - which Is wrong - is that you have to wait until the age of 18 before the two-year period of transition begins prlor to making an application, but In fact the transition can start from two years before 18."

In "GRC User Group Minutes 2005-2018"
https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

That document is linked from:

"Applying for a gender-recognition certificate: the facts"
by Sex Matters

“The GRA is clear that an applicant must show they have been living In their gender for two years… The applicant does not need to send a large number of documents to show this; 2–3 Items per year should suffice.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

“Applicants will need to show some evidence that they have been living In their gender for the two years required by the Act. Letters from an employer, a manager, a doctor, school/college could be suitable to show that even though an applicant had not officially changed their name they were living in their gender…. Letters could also come from an applicant’s job, DWP, HMRC, changed passport, changed driving licence. Utility bills are also acceptable….. the panel recognise that one size does not fit all and some applicants are not able to provide as much evidence. Each application is considered on its own merits.” (User group meeting, Leicester, 2018)

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Applying-for-a-gender-recognition-certificate.pdf

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The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.

A fraudulent statutory declaration means that the person committed perjury at the time of making the declaration. It just has to be true that when making the declaration a person, in this case, "intends to continue to live in the acquired gender until death"

GRA2004 2 (1) (c)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Otherwise, anyone who has a GRC and later detransitions (ie. by changing their name, title and gender marker) could be prosecuted.

The Gender Recognition Panel has been asked how it would deal with circumstances when a male with a GRC fathers a child or a female with a GRC becomes pregnant and gives birth. eg.

Gender Recognition Panel User Group meeting minutes for 10th November in London and 25th November in Manchester (2015?)

8. We have seen evidence that the panel often issues directions when the applicant has recently had a child. If all other aspects of an application were perfect, would the panel issue a GRC to a pregnant man?

The Policy team stated that they were not aware of any consideration having been given to the conception of children in one's birth gender, or the relevance of such matters to applications for gender recognition certificates, during the Parliamentary debates that preceded the passing of the GRA.

The assessment of the facts against the conditions laid out in the GRA is a matter for the GRP in any particular case. If the GRP is satisfied that the applicant meets the statutory conditions, it must grant the application.

All applications are reviewed on a case by case basis. (Policy)

The President added that the GRP never discuss specific applicant's circumstances or specific applications at these meetings. . Each application is considered on its merits. This may include requesting additional information if a transgender man has recently had a baby or is pregnant at the time of the application. All applications must comply with Section 2(1)(b) and (c) GRA. Section 3(6)(c) allows the Panel to seek such other information or evidence which the Panel may require to determine the application. Applicants cannot fetter the power of the judiciary to seek further information to allow them to consider an application

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/GRC-user-group-minutes-2005-2018.pdf

I used Perplexity AI to unravel some of the legal issues and included IVF as that came up in the case of Freddy McConnell, when the Judge asked the Sec of State if he intended to prosecute Freddy and the Sec of State declined to do so.

Issue
Whether a false statutory declaration under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 can be prosecuted under section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911, and whether later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF use by a GRC holder is itself enough to establish falsity or criminal liability.

Short answer
The relevant criminal offence is section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911. The prosecution would have to prove that the declaration made under section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was knowingly and wilfully false in a material particular when made. Later parenthood or fertility treatment may be evidentially relevant, but it is not enough on its own to prove the original declaration was false.

Law
Section 2 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 requires a statutory declaration that the applicant has lived in the acquired gender for at least two years and intends to continue to do so until death. Section 9 provides that, once issued, a full GRC changes the person’s gender for legal purposes, subject to statutory exceptions.

Section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 makes it an offence to make, in a statutory declaration, a statement false in a material particular, if done knowingly and wilfully. The statutory test is therefore falsity plus deliberate dishonesty, not merely later inconsistency.

Application
The declaration under section 2 is a statement of present intention. To prove it false, it would be necessary to show that, when the declaration was made, the applicant did not genuinely intend to live in the acquired gender permanently until death and knew that the declaration was untrue.

Later pregnancy, fatherhood, or IVF treatment may be circumstantial evidence from which a court might infer something about earlier intention, but they do not automatically establish that the original declaration was false. That is especially so because section 9 expressly preserves the person’s parental status, so the statute does not treat later fatherhood or motherhood as inconsistent with recognition.

IVF point
The provisions identified above do not themselves create a criminal offence merely because a person with a GRC seeks IVF. Any criminal liability would have to arise under a separate, specific offence in the reproductive-law framework, not from sections 2 or 9 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 or section 5 of the Perjury Act 1911 alone.

Conclusion
On the black-letter law identified here, the prosecution case would turn on proof of deliberate falsity at the time of the section 2 declaration. Later reproduction, including childbirth or IVF, is not by itself enough to prove fraud or to found a criminal offence under the provisions considered here.

References
Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 2:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Gender Recognition Act 2004, section 9:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/9

Perjury Act 1911, section 5:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6/section/5/enacted

ScrollingLeaves · 25/05/2026 16:09

@POWNewcastleEastWallsend
re:
The most revolting, misogynistic aspect of the ECtHR ruling in Goodwin is this, which accepts what depraved trans activists maintain: that the definition of a woman is Adult Human Fuck-hole.
A Genealogy of Gender Identity - Gender Identity in the ECtHR: Goodwin v UK (Part Three)
Part XII-3
Dec 05, 2022
"Mr Goodwin had also raised a claim with regards to Article 12, the right to marry. The Court finds a breach in this case as well. They are content to consider that, if a man undergoes surgery, he becomes a woman. Where the sexes are conceptualised as the one who penetrates and the one who is penetrated. This is not said explicitely but significantly, the section opens with the statement, by Mr Goodwin that he ‘enjoyed a full physical relationship with a man’. This is enough for the Court. Mr Goodwin feels like a woman, and he is penetrated like a woman. Ergo, he can marry a man. Marriage reduced to traditional sex positions. The rest is just flourish."
https://alessandraasteriti.substack.com/p/a-genealogy-of-gender-identity-gender-842
Edited

That is outrageous and if somehow it informed the law, it means the law had an entirely false basis from the outset.

I think this perception of ‘the hole’, all has its origins in male on male rape and male sex. Romans. The Russian Army. The man providing ‘the hole’ is the despised one, and the feminine, ‘gay’ one or beneath contempt one. The other man is a real man and not gay.

A Genealogy of Gender Identity - Gender Identity in the ECtHR: Goodwin v UK (Part Three)

Part XII-3

https://alessandraasteriti.substack.com/p/a-genealogy-of-gender-identity-gender-842

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 25/05/2026 15:51

94% for a repeal.

pretty decisive.

OP posts:
POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 25/05/2026 01:49

GallantKumquat · 24/05/2026 18:30

@POWNewcastleEastWallsend

This is has been a fascinating discussion and has clarified my original comment. I'm hoping to be able to find a copy of her book Gender Identity in International Law - A Certain Inconvenience (no easy to find!), as I suspect she addresses the question of post Goodwin rulings and the expansion of the ECtHR's mandates.

Thank you for the discussion, I have found it very helpful too 🙏

Gender Identity in International Law
A Certain Inconvenience
By: Alessandra Asteriti

Cambridge Scholars
https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-0364-0550-2/

There is a link to a Sample PDF on that page that includes a list of contents.

Preface ....................................................................................................... ix

List of Abbreviations ............................................................................... xiii

Gender Identity: An Introduction ............................................................... 1

Chapter 1 .................................................................................................. 15
Terminology and Methodology

Chapter 2 .................................................................................................. 32
Gender Identity in Medical and Transgender Rights Organisations Literature

Chapter 3 .................................................................................................. 49
Gender Identity in the Work of International Institutions

Chapter 4 .................................................................................................. 92
Gender Identity in the Work of Treaty Bodies

Chapter 5 ................................................................................................ 102
Regional Courts in Europe

The Council of Europe and the European Union .............................. 102

The Jurisprudence of the ECHR: From Rees to Goodwin ................ 107

The Jurisprudence of the ECHR: Goodwin ...................................... 134

The Jurisprudence of the ECHR Post-Goodwin ............................... 144

The Jurisprudence of the ECJ/CJEU................................................. 165

Chapter 6 ................................................................................................ 174
The Inter-American System

Chapter 7 ................................................................................................ 189
The African Union

Chapter 8 ................................................................................................ 197
Selected Cases in Domestic Courts

Chapter 9 ................................................................................................ 210
The Backlash against Gender Identity

  • The Effects of Gender Identity Theory ............................................. 210
  • Affirmative Model of Transgender Care: Comparative and International Approach ......................................................... 232

Chapter 10 .............................................................................................. 266 Conclusions

Bibliography ........................................................................................... 278

Alessandra has published Chapter 1 on her Substack:

Gender Identity in International Law - Chapter One
Cambridge Scholars Publishers
https://alessandraasteriti.substack.com/p/gender-identity-in-international-11e

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The most revolting, misogynistic aspect of the ECtHR ruling in Goodwin is this, which accepts what depraved trans activists maintain: that the definition of a woman is Adult Human Fuck-hole.

A Genealogy of Gender Identity - Gender Identity in the ECtHR: Goodwin v UK (Part Three)
Part XII-3
Dec 05, 2022

"Mr Goodwin had also raised a claim with regards to Article 12, the right to marry. The Court finds a breach in this case as well. They are content to consider that, if a man undergoes surgery, he becomes a woman. Where the sexes are conceptualised as the one who penetrates and the one who is penetrated. This is not said explicitely but significantly, the section opens with the statement, by Mr Goodwin that he ‘enjoyed a full physical relationship with a man’. This is enough for the Court. Mr Goodwin feels like a woman, and he is penetrated like a woman. Ergo, he can marry a man. Marriage reduced to traditional sex positions. The rest is just flourish."

https://alessandraasteriti.substack.com/p/a-genealogy-of-gender-identity-gender-842

Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?
Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?
Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?
AniahJeremiah · 24/05/2026 22:19

ScrollingLeaves · 24/05/2026 22:08

I voted yes but had not seen the option for ‘and documents replaced’. Really I vote for that option.

And it should be a criminal offence to cross dress in public

ScrollingLeaves · 24/05/2026 22:08

I voted yes but had not seen the option for ‘and documents replaced’. Really I vote for that option.

OldCrone · 24/05/2026 21:28

Shedmistress · 24/05/2026 18:57

The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment

Saying you are the opposite sex IS a false declaration.

What it says is that applicants have to declare that they will live in their acquired gender permanently.

The GRA 2004 requires applicants to sign a formal statutory declaration stating their intention to live in their acquired gender permanently. The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment.

What does it mean to 'live in a gender'? Without a clear definition of what this means, it would be impossible for someone to be prosecuted for not living in their acquired gender when they said they would.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/05/2026 19:05

KilkennyCats · 22/05/2026 18:53

If only we were that powerful…

There is something magnificently self-important about asserting that the Supreme Court was instituted to attack trans people.

(Not you, I hasten to add in an edit: the person who said it in Reddit.)

AniahJeremiah · 24/05/2026 19:04

It should be repealed, along with other gender woo: Same Sex Marriage

AniahJeremiah · 24/05/2026 19:03

GallantKumquat · 24/05/2026 08:05

@POWNewcastleEastWallsend

Is this a realistic prospect given Alessadra's point that:
"No country was ever expelled for a minor procedural infraction (granting a document is at most a procedural breach). Only Russia was expelled for invading Ukraine."

Alessadra's is 100% correct; I think its extremely unlikely that the UK would ever be ejected even if there were multiple unresolved cases found against it.

But it would make it increasingly likely that a future government would pull out. (as Reform is already promising to do)

Are you suggesting that a new Application, based on some reason other than Article 8 in relation to the GRA as it stands, might go through the UK courts, reach the ECtHR and be held to be in conflict with the Convention on Human Rights?

This is really the essence of my post. Alessadra's analysis is done as though the ECtHR's mandate and interpretive doctrine are stable and roughly the same as they were in 2000. I don't believe that's the case. Instead it's taken an elastic view of Article 8 (taking its cue from the US) and expanded its scope based in it. This is especially evident in trans decisions and seems likely to continue. If it does, it seems (to me) inevitable that it will bring the ECtHR into conflict with UK statute.

Edited

If a future government was to pull out, any criminal could flee the country to Europe and the EU would refuse to extradite them. The EU would also refuse to cooperate with UK immigration enforcement

Shedmistress · 24/05/2026 18:57

The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment

Saying you are the opposite sex IS a false declaration.

GallantKumquat · 24/05/2026 18:30

@POWNewcastleEastWallsend

This is has been a fascinating discussion and has clarified my original comment. I'm hoping to be able to find a copy of her book Gender Identity in International Law - A Certain Inconvenience (no easy to find!), as I suspect she addresses the question of post Goodwin rulings and the expansion of the ECtHR's mandates.

EasternStandard · 24/05/2026 16:18

Dahliadaily · 24/05/2026 11:24

It was because same sex marriage wasn’t legal and parliament felt it was easier to stomach this legal fiction than to legalise SS marriage. It was designed to be for those mythical trans women who wished to marry a man and were indistinguishable from women. It was designed to protect the privacy of their undetectable trans history. Think Haley Cropper.

That’s just so bizarre but now we do have SS marriage the initial reason no longer exists.

It’s too damaging to women and children. At least women here have pushed back and done as well as possible, I just googled the Tickle v Giggle case in Aus as I hadn’t followed closely.

Although women have had some good gains it would only take politicians legislating against in the future. Eg Polanski tie up.

mrshoho · 24/05/2026 15:40

When concerns were raised that the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) 2004 could enable fraudulent or dishonest applications, governments and legislative bodies responded by emphasizing existing legal safeguards and maintaining strict evidentiary requirements.
Their responses included the following key elements:
Statutory Perjury Penalties: The GRA 2004 requires applicants to sign a formal statutory declaration stating their intention to live in their acquired gender permanently. The government highlighted that making a false declaration is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment.
Strict Evidentiary Threshold: Applications must be reviewed and approved by a legal body (the Gender Recognition Panel). Throughout consultations on potential GRA reforms, the UK Government maintained that keeping this medical and documentary evidence is necessary to prevent abuse.
Appeals and Investigations: The legislation includes direct measures to nullify fraudulently obtained certificates. The Secretary of State is explicitly granted the right to refer cases to the High Court if they believe an application was secured by fraud.
Safeguards in the Equality Act: Officials have frequently stressed that the Equality Act 2010 provides clear exceptions. Service providers retain the legal right to restrict access to single-sex spaces (like changing rooms or shelters) based on biological sex if it is a proportionate and justifiable means of ensuring privacy and safety.
Institute for Government.org.uk

To think all those checks and balances that were put in place at the time the GRA was enacted and used to reassure those who were opposed, would have been totally gone had Self ID been introduced. Give an inch they take a mile.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/05/2026 15:06

A humane society can treat people with courtesy without falsifying reality

I agree with this.

Also, I believe there was an extra layer of duplicity and discrimination that was a factor for creating it: so people of the same sex could marry by pretending one was the opposite sex. I think that might have been Tony Blair’s idea.

Meanwhile same sex loving couples, had no such privilege.

Now same sex couples can marry, why keep this social lie going?

if there were real acceptance of 3rd and 4th
‘genders’ ( transwomen and transmen) why the pretence?

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