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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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ickky · 11/10/2023 10:41

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2 | Mumsnet

Abbreviations JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C) OU - The Open University, Respondent (R) J - Regional Employment Judge Young P - Panel or panel memb...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 12/10/2023 11:35

Detecting notes of witness snippiness with BC already. BC allowing a bit of incredulity to show in his voice and is astonished the head of HR never read the grievance.

Bingo card - the OU has 10000 people

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 11:35

BC: Did you at least read the first four paras of the grievance?

CM: I can't say for certain if I read them at the time.

BC: This is the problem of the person in charge of dealing with this problem at the time not even reading the first four paras of a serious grievance.

CM: The uni has 10,000 people - [need that on the bingo card].

BC: I am so astonished by your answer that you didn't even read the grievance that we have to take a moment

She is all over the place. Ben is starting to sound a bit short.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 11:35

Was 'maybe it would be helpful to provide some context' on the bingo card?

I roughly translate this as - here's my excuse for not doing my job.

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:35

BC I am so astonished that you didn't read the grievance.

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LarkLane · 12/10/2023 11:34

Hmm Good at not reading grievances isn't on on her c.v.

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CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 11:34

She's getting testy.
CM - I can't say for certain if I ever read them.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 11:34

Ooh - Ben is getting annoyed

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:34

BC sounding angry

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Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 11:34

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:30

Someone has asked in the chat box for those in the lobby to be let in.

Thanks - still waiting.

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:33

CM, taking a moment to read

Well at least she is now reading.

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Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 11:33

As an HR professional it’s people like this who give us a bad rep.

You always read it to see if there is anything you can do immediately to improve the situation.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 12/10/2023 11:33

Quite.

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:32

CM - This was clearing a very complex situation

How the fuck would you know, you didn't even read the grievance! Angry

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CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 11:32

Well I think that's the biggest tick ever in the 'I didn't read it' box.

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 11:32

BC: There was urgency in this case. Ongoing behaviour of which JP complaining.

CM: It was complicated [bingo]. Lots of competing needs.

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 11:31

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 11:28

CM never read Jo's grievance. 😳

Disgraceful, what a corker!
But good for the case!😀

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 12/10/2023 11:31

Didn't read it?!

Good lord - must work at our HR place (we've never been able to work out what they do, apart from responding to any email to say that the query is about something they don't do.)

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 11:30

It seems awfully convenient not to have ever read it.

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 11:30

FFS she didn’t read the grievance.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 11:30

Ben displayed a bit of exasperation there.

So, to recap, the group director of HR did not bother to trouble herself with Jo's grievance?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 12/10/2023 11:30

It appears she’s the type of manager who regards her job as making sure other people do theirs, and not contributing her own expertise.

ickky · 12/10/2023 11:30

Someone has asked in the chat box for those in the lobby to be let in.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 11:28

CM never read Jo's grievance. 😳

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 11:28

BC: Complaint on 24 June. Presumably you read it soon after it arrived.

CM: Didn't read the grievance at that time.

BC: You were in charge of HR etc re this. You didn't read it ?

CM: I didn't read the full grievance.

BC: Ever?!

CM: No.

Mochudubh · 12/10/2023 11:28

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 11:24

Remember that Tom Lehrer song The Elements? We need to adapt the lyrics.

I'm not up to that but hopefully someone is and it'll make @boiledbeetle's next anthology.