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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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ickky · 11/10/2023 10:41

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2 | Mumsnet

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GCITC · 12/10/2023 13:04

Fucking hell!!!

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:04

OMG failure to disclose evidence.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:03

Other grievance?

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ickky · 12/10/2023 13:03

She is, especially in light of her history. This is a nightmare for her to go through again.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 13:03

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 13:02

I'm resigned to the fact I'm not getting back in before lunch....literal exclusion 😭

Me too. Should we start a support group?

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 13:03

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 12:58

Can the OU agree a deal and stop the tribunal? Or does it have to run to completion

Yes they can, in theory.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:02

Ickky - if so, Jo is very brave.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 13:02

I'm resigned to the fact I'm not getting back in before lunch....literal exclusion 😭

Manderleyagain · 12/10/2023 13:02

maltravers · 12/10/2023 12:25

I think the OUs strategy is blame it on unprovided legal advice and better to take a loss at the tribunal if they can’t price JP out of it, than to settle and unleash chaos internally with the students. They’re afraid of their own students (as we all knew anyway).

I had also been thinking along lines. They would much rather be forced by a court of law than come to an agreement by themselves, because they are worried about how it will be received internally.

Or perhaps the remaining witnesses will cause a dramatic change and we will all realise they acted fairly after all!!

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ickky · 12/10/2023 13:02

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:00

I guess it is possible. It is also possible that Jo wants this nightmare laid bare for all to see.

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I think she does want to go all the way aa she has said she wants academic freedom and wants everyone to see how she has been treated.

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CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 13:01

ickky · 12/10/2023 12:50

Oh god, this is going to ruin my dramatis personae.

Any idea of new name and pronouns?

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Don't worry, I'm sure the judge will help us if there is confusion. Smile She's already had to intervene in IF's evidence to clarify who he was talking about because he used the name and pronouns they (Dr Downes) was using at the time.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 12/10/2023 13:01

ickky · 12/10/2023 12:55

In fairness, I struggle to remember what I had for dinner yesterday.

The length of time it takes to get to court is appalling.

This country's infrastructure is fucked.

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I’ve appalling menopause related brain fog, so I can sympathise with forgetting every day stuff. But I can still remember professional events that are out of the ordinary and took up a lot of my time when they happened. And you could be sure that if I was to go to testify about it I would read what paperwork I had and have a bit of a think about what I recalled so I could be prepared.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 12/10/2023 13:00

I don't think Jo would settle at this point.

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:00

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 12/10/2023 12:59

Do we know that the OU hasn't tried to make a compensation deal with Jo, perhaps not offering recompense she deemed sufficient?

I may be wrong but I think I read somewhere Jo wanted to go to ET and not to settle.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:00

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 12/10/2023 12:59

Do we know that the OU hasn't tried to make a compensation deal with Jo, perhaps not offering recompense she deemed sufficient?

I guess it is possible. It is also possible that Jo wants this nightmare laid bare for all to see.

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 12:59

She took the decision to suspend the grievance. Actually taking responsibility.

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 12/10/2023 12:59

Do we know that the OU hasn't tried to make a compensation deal with Jo, perhaps not offering recompense she deemed sufficient?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 12:59

maltravers · 12/10/2023 12:57

So the panel you appointed said take the letter down but you didn’t..?

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I read that in Ben's tone of voice! 😂

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 12:58

Can the OU agree a deal and stop the tribunal? Or does it have to run to completion

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 12:58

Is it pure bone idleness on her part, or just fear of the TRA backlash?

Melissamelisante · 12/10/2023 12:58

Witness now employing teflon shield on behalf of the role of the working group.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 12:58

*were

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 12:58

If I was the OU I would be begging for a compensation deal with Jo

maltravers · 12/10/2023 12:57

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 12:40

BC: quotes prof Holliman - can we remove the letters while the investigation goes on. Sally Hayes (panel member) says, I completely agree. It is the significant ongoing harm they are doing to JP and our duty of care here.

BC: The panel made the case for interim measure to take down letters.

CM: Consideration was given. Outcome was that they should remain. Can't speak further re balancing of harms.

So the panel you appointed said take the letter down but you didn’t..?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 12:56

ickky · 12/10/2023 12:52

It is always shit, but not usually this shit.

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Thanks, ickky.

It's very frustrating to be so hit and miss.

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