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Wtf is going on in America

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Hoardasurass · 16/08/2023 20:53

I've just read these two articles and I'm just speechless

Chief shrink of kids hospital claims kids can identify as minotaurs https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12413067/Chief-psychologist-California-childrens-hospital-claims-kids-identify-gender-minotaurs.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
And

Biden's trans health secretary praises Alaska gender-affirming clinic https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12413023/Bidens-trans-health-secretary-Dr-Rachel-Levine-praises-Alaska-gender-affirming-care-clinic-wants-word-mother-replaced-phrase-EGG-PRODUCER.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Chief shrink of kids hospital claims kids can identify as minotaurs

Dr Ehrensaft has made claims that children can identify as gender hybrids, which include  'gender Minotaur'. The Minotaur was a creature which had the body of a man but the head of a bull.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12413067/Chief-psychologist-California-childrens-hospital-claims-kids-identify-gender-minotaurs.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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RealityFan · 17/08/2023 14:32

MinotaurGender=one gender up top, one below.

How about one gender for one dainty pinky toe, one for the butch big toe.

Maybe even paint them different colours.

When I parted company from the Christian church in the late 70s, I was certain nothing in the future could ever match the ideas of virgin births, miracles, heaven and hell, transubstantiation, souls.

Even the 80s and 90s hysteria for UFO sightings, chariots of the gods, crystals, recovered memory syndrome, satanic abuse scandals, the right wing hysteria over rock lyrics/backward panning, never held together.

But this! People have fucking lost the plot in a way I never thought could remotely be a risk.

CheerfulYank · 17/08/2023 13:45

The problem is that we’re so divided here in the states right now (thanks Trump 🙄)

There is absolutely no intelligent, science based discussion on this gender crap and the harm is poses.

You’re either a MAGA nut job Bible thumper who thinks Hollywood stars eat the blood of children to stay young, is opposed to feminism, anti-racism, gay rights, gun control, the trans agenda, and the belief that the earth is round… or you’re a “woke” liberal who won’t be happy until white people no longer exist, every child is referred to as “they”, there are litter boxes in every school just in case a child identifies as a cat, and every gun in the land has been melted down and formed into a statue of Hilary Clinton giving Satan a handjob.

It’s madness here and the divide is getting deeper by the day.

tt9 · 17/08/2023 09:20

@Boiledbeetle I pride myself on my imagination and have been telling tall tales since toddlerhood but this level of make believe is beyond my powers!

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 07:48

tt9 · 16/08/2023 22:58

having read the article (wish I hadnt).. the kids are saying they are a combination of genders rather than an actual minotaur (which would be way more fun) I.e. top one gender, bottom another. or front and back. they are also calling these combinations gender prius, gender hybrid
... and hold your minotaur.... gender tesla.

please can someone shoot me and put me out of my misery. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Thank you.

How is that any more worthy of being considered valid ? (Not aimed at you, tt) I think this clinician is dangerous.

I was shocked that they were out there repeating the ludicrous claims about onsies and hairclips. Having a child who hated anything on their head or clipped up around their body, turns out they just hated anything on their head or tight fitting. Still does today. Many babies do, it is not unusual. To use this as any way to diagnose gender dysphoria is fucked up.

To then support different parts of the body having different identities is an indication of significant dissociation, this is not even a gender specific issue. Any person who believes a part of them that they were born with and that is not a person with chimerism, has any identity that is different to the rest of their body needs significant help. Not validation.

AnSolas · 17/08/2023 06:27

tt9 · 16/08/2023 22:58

having read the article (wish I hadnt).. the kids are saying they are a combination of genders rather than an actual minotaur (which would be way more fun) I.e. top one gender, bottom another. or front and back. they are also calling these combinations gender prius, gender hybrid
... and hold your minotaur.... gender tesla.

please can someone shoot me and put me out of my misery. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I think a combination of genders two sex as the US media tend to use gender rather tham sex
So for men a boob job would be the solution
But for women a fake penis would be the solution

Boiledbeetle · 17/08/2023 06:21

tt9 · 16/08/2023 22:58

having read the article (wish I hadnt).. the kids are saying they are a combination of genders rather than an actual minotaur (which would be way more fun) I.e. top one gender, bottom another. or front and back. they are also calling these combinations gender prius, gender hybrid
... and hold your minotaur.... gender tesla.

please can someone shoot me and put me out of my misery. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Not fair! Now I'm going to actually have to read the article to see if gender prius and gender tesla are real or piss take.

Which is proof of how far into madness this has descended. The actual stories are even more fanciful than what most people could come up with if asked to imagine the most ridiculous of ridiculous things!

tt9 · 16/08/2023 22:58

having read the article (wish I hadnt).. the kids are saying they are a combination of genders rather than an actual minotaur (which would be way more fun) I.e. top one gender, bottom another. or front and back. they are also calling these combinations gender prius, gender hybrid
... and hold your minotaur.... gender tesla.

please can someone shoot me and put me out of my misery. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Boiledbeetle · 16/08/2023 22:43

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 16/08/2023 22:33

Regular doses of bullshit?

Using your middle name as well these days I see!

Boiledbeetle · 16/08/2023 22:41

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 16/08/2023 22:28

Twirls

Oh my!

Loving I Love You GIF
JanesLittleGirl · 16/08/2023 22:40

NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 22:25

what does a doctor envisage as a treatment for Minotaur Dysphoria? A head swap operation with a bull?

Relocation to Crete?

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 16/08/2023 22:33

NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 22:25

what does a doctor envisage as a treatment for Minotaur Dysphoria? A head swap operation with a bull?

Regular doses of bullshit?

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 16/08/2023 22:28

Twirls

New York Fashion Week GIF by NYFW: The Shows
NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 22:25

what does a doctor envisage as a treatment for Minotaur Dysphoria? A head swap operation with a bull?

Flickersy · 16/08/2023 22:18

Having read the article it appears "gender minotaur" is one of a list of descriptors children have used about themselves.

I think this is being somewhat misrepresented. It doesn't seem like she's claiming anyone actually identifies as a minotaur.

Zodfa · 16/08/2023 21:38

I remember as a child of about six pondering philosophically if someone's body could be half-male and half-female. So I can definitely see that a child might invent some kind of "half-and-half" gender for themselves and might persist in believing it to be true with the support of suitably insane adults (who are nowadays in no short supply).

Of course a lot of kids think gender is about clothes and many are persisting in this belief much longer than they should be because adults no longer put them right. If this is how you think, then of course someone who wants to wear both a skirt and a Spiderman jumper is "half-girl / half-boy" (bottom half / top half).

RoseslnTheHospital · 16/08/2023 21:20

Ah, having read the article and not just the headline I see this is a metaphor of sorts rather than actually identifying as a mythical creature. This woman is away with the fairies. I would just laugh in her face if she actually started to explain her thoughts on this.

Boiledbeetle · 16/08/2023 21:18

DuesToTheDirt · 16/08/2023 21:12

Minotaurs? Oh, how fabulous. Can I be one? Will I have to live in a labyrinth? There could be a sticky ending for me though.

By the rules of the current game you could identify as a minotaur that lives in a bog standard semi detached in suburbia.

I also imagine that the name Colin would suit your new minotaur identity.

RoseslnTheHospital · 16/08/2023 21:15

I mean, a small child can pretend they're a minotaur, of course. But no credible adult would agree that they actually were a minotaur and that their claim to identify as one is anything more than play and pretending. Or perhaps some evidence of an emerging SEN or developmental issue, if the child was truly unable to distinguish imagination from reality.

AnSolas · 16/08/2023 21:14

Money
Money
Money

People who make it to senior positions in profit making organisations have to be focused on Investors so dividend returns and bond holder credit ratings.

DuesToTheDirt · 16/08/2023 21:13

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/08/2023 21:03

That's this Dr Diane Ehrensaft. https://4thwavenow.com/tag/diane-ehrensaft/

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7kqndw

Haven't read this latest idiocy, but nothing she says would surprise me. She believes that a toddler boy unbuttoning his onesie was trying to make it into a dress and a toddler girl pulling her hairclip out of her hair was pre-verbally stating that she identified as a boy. (See clip - you need to disable an adblocker to view it.)

When my kids were little they stripped off at every opportunity. I guess they were trying to tell me they were really animals, since animals don't wear clothes.

DuesToTheDirt · 16/08/2023 21:12

Minotaurs? Oh, how fabulous. Can I be one? Will I have to live in a labyrinth? There could be a sticky ending for me though.

Hoardasurass · 16/08/2023 21:08

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/08/2023 21:07

Erstwhile Satanic panic enthusiast too, as documented on this thread. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4489277-Video-Series-Diane-Ehrensaft-and-Satanic-Panic

Yikes she has serious form then. I knew that I recognised her name from somewhere

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Moonberri · 16/08/2023 21:06

I'm waiting for the day when the penny drops that "gender" is just personality.