Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

What the actual….
This whole debacle has just gone way too far, and now a baby is dead, mother traumatised not to mention the medics.

Holy god, the laws need to be tightened significantly to protect everyone, most of all a baby in the womb.

@Titfortat78 You do know how gay men have sex, don't you? They don't have a vagina.

well, would you expect anything else from the Guardian?

Thankfully, 99.9% of people believe, quite rightly, this is nonsense and the sooner their voices are heard and this nonsense stopped, the better.

So how do they live as a man? Genuine question, and I’m not trying to catch you out. I have always wondered what a transman has to do to ‘live as a man’, given that thousands of women routinely wear trousers and flat shoes, work in formerly male professions eg engineering, drink pints etc.

Ah, but men can get pregnant

According to the Guardian, quoting "Jerome':
""It’s 2022. Not only women can get pregnant, men can get pregnant, too,’ says Jerome."

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/aug/08/difference-is-beautiful-pregnant-trans-men-go-for-a-swim-in-pictures

The world has gone mad. Hope common sense takes over before too long.

@ItsFunToBeAVampire I think the question is 'do you think you could be pregnant'.

Not 'Have you had sex with a man'.

The woman is being disingenuous.

In the article (do read it) she said she expected a blood test to check for pregnancy, having had previous pregnancies.

So if she did, and wasn't offered one as a result of her answers to the questions, why did she not ask?

She can't have it both ways!

At some point, even though you could argue the hospital made a mistake, the woman answered the pre-op questions clearly intending to show she was living as a man (so not having PIV sex with another man).

BUT she also thought she should have been offered a blood test to show pregnancy. why would that thought even enter her head if she'd been living as a man for months? Men don't get pregnant.

This was my first thought.

I'm not being coy. All of us posters have to be very careful what we write, not least because it's not always clear what is and isn't permitted.

The thread below is still available on MN - look up the definition of the term under discussion on Wiktionary.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4838405-bonus-hole

You dont have to be rude, or place the thread in danger, but you really shouldnt be coy either

The hospital have cocked up. A pregnancy test should have been carried out.

However, looking at the bigger picture, isn’t this what TRAs are advocating for? Health care that doesn’t risk triggering dysphoria?

@54isanopendoor I'm surprised the hospital didn't conduct the test. I've always been asked about being pregnant since I was about 14. Still being asked aged 55. It's routine.

They did ask. They asked a series of questions which led them to believe there was no possibility of the patient being pregnant. They were wrong.

Would have triggered more than that …

HE had a hysterectomy 😩

This needs to stop

Because you are in total denial about it being a possibility?

I'm surprised the hospital didn't conduct the test. I've always been asked about being pregnant since I was about 14. Still being asked aged 55. It's routine.

Surely a positive test would have triggered an ultrasound scan which would have detected the problem.

@DrLightman

We must both be daft!

If someone is having a gender-assignment operation, and asked if there is any chance they could be pregnant, there may be a reason why they say no.

This was in Australia. I have no idea how this surgery is paid for and if it's by the state.

But in the UK, if someone was so far down the line with GT that the NHS was doing the surgery, it would not be in their interests to say they might have ( as a man living for 2 years as a man to qualify for surgery) to admit to heterosexual PIV sex.

Obviously a test should be done.

There is a discrepancy in the 'account anyway. The women [she was a woman, biologically] said she knew she needed a blood test. So she knew she'd had sex and could be pregnant. Why did she not insist on a test at the time? Presumably because she thought the surgery might not go ahead.

sounds like it was a good thing that they didn't do the test - presumably the pregnancy test would have meant the hysterectomy would not have gone ahead

• Mr Pohlner was told the hysterectomy would have been required regardless of the pregnancy because the placenta was growing into his C-section scar. 'In my case, if they cancelled the surgery I would not be here,' he said. 'Just because of what was happening inside, none of us knew.

I don't want my post or the thread deleted which is why I'm being circumspect.

(i dont know why there is a link in there)

You could, but you could equally explain what you mean

But if you are in for a hysterectomy you have to be a biological woman so regardless of what the patient said a pregnancy test should have been done.