Annaliese Dodds: "sex and gender are different"

But do they mean biological single sex exemptions - shame one has to ask but one does. will a GRc still be sercret document? and will people with a GRc be allowed in the single sex spaces of their new idenity?

Dodds says on the GRC:

"A diagnosis provided by one doctor, with a registrar instead of a panel, should be enough."

There are quite a few Trans radical activist doctors who we know will be so keen on this as a political act that the system could become little more than self-id under another name in a matter of months.

Dodds also says:

"we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it."

Which sounds to me like they will undermine any attempt to make the concept of 'sex' or 'women' clear - unsurprising as Starmer thinks some women can have penises.

I think there is a lot of tub thumping here about supporting everyone and being more marvellous than the tories but this is the political equivalent of saying both sides are OTT, or both sidse are aggressive/abusive or both sides just need me-the-marvellous to sit down with them bang their heads together and come up wiht this brilliant middle way.

Some news for Labour - this is a binary choice and you either back women's rights and the safety of women and children clearly and unamiguously, or you don't.

Labour, very clearly, still don't. They're still gaslighting us.

My impression, based on that article, was that Dodds is genuinely and sensibly committed to a set of reforms that will protect women's interests. Wherther it will pan out that way in practice I don't know, but I found the article exteremely encouraging. Particularly since it seemed to cover both bases - making 'gender reassignment' a more streamlined process for those that need it whilst retaining the necessity of a medical diagnosis and the recognition of a difference between altered 'gender' and persistent sex.

No reform will succed unless it can cover both those bases and I feel hopeful that a lot of thought may now be put into how to do that honestly.

Quite frankly, at this stage, I don't believe a single, solitary, terfy word that leaves their mealy mouths!
They are not to be trusted! It's as simple as that.
You don't go for breakfast with stonewall one week, then try to pander to the terfs the next and think you haven't been seen. It doesn't work like that.

WPUK seem pleased with it

https://twitter.com/womansplaceeuk/status/1683444186182295554?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Labour Women's Declaration seem to be appeased by "if" this means they support free speech

https://twitter.com/labwomendec/status/1683423565184368641?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The Tories would be wise to let this torment Labour over the summer, before they come out with a sensible and clear position in September AKA party conference season.

Quite why Labour has done this now, is beyond me

I think Annalisse Dodds is at best naive - as a life long labour supporter the Labour Party stance makes me question my vote and I fear that I will vote Tory or not vote at all which I don't feel comfortable about. I

It’s when lines like these are used you know it’s all
the same stuff

“Changing gender is not a decision anyone makes lightly,” wrote Dodds.

How quaint. She's a long way behind the times.

^^ this exactly

My view is quite clear on this - I take the view that there are only male and female sex/genders. There is no difference between the term gender and sex and no-one can change between the two. There are very few people who are born who are categories as intersex and they I believe are a unique case.

I don't know whether my view is now in the minority - I suspect not, in fact I suspect the majority hold this view but have been silenced.

Labour simply cannot be trusted on this issue. Like Iain Anderson, in his disastrous interview with Beth Rigby, they are trying to shift the tone of the 'conversation' but they have not, in essence, changed their stance at all.

We are not stupid.

Parliamentary politics is about winning. The Conservative party would be nuts not to harness the support they could potentially have on several issues. If they declare some serious intention of reforming the GRA and dealing with the situation in schools, I would certainly vote for them - for the first time in my life.

This!
MALES who identify as trans should be safe in male spaces. The claims for transfer to women's prisons, use of single sex changing rooms often hangs on the fear factor/risk to the "trans" male. It's toxic masculinity that needs adressed. These males are a subset of men and male spaces should accommodate ALL males safely. Women and girls aren't safety blankets. Under the equality act single sex spaces and gender REASSIGNMENT are protected but not gender self ID. This needs to be enforced.

This is a significant issue. Where usually you pay privately for an "assessment" for various conditions, with gender stuff you really do pay for a "diagnosis".
I don't know how it is remotely ethical.

@fromorbit how do we find these events and are there any that aren't in far-flung corners of the UK? I have a baby and a preschooler so much as I would love to be able to hit the road and drive to Aberdeen or Portsmouth, it's not really feasible. All I've been hearing about for years is the amazing work being done by women in Scotland (and hats off to all of you). I haven't been back in the UK for long (was living abroad) and don't know where to look to get involved. I do write to my MP but it won't influence the Labour party because he's a Con.

It will be a problem if it is brought in but the General Medical Council would probably have something to say about the bill and may object to doctors role in the system.

It's almost a done deal that Labour will win th enext election, which means it is also a done deal men will be entering all women only spaces post the next election. As far as I recall it had only bene Johnson who has said words to the effect that only women can give birth etc... all the rest seem to pussy foot around it and Labour in particular seem to keep quiet as they know it's not popular but once in will make it law.

I know several trans women (and have employed two) but respecting peoples life choices is different to the duty of safeguarding women and children that Labour in particular don't seem to care about.

So what would the role of the Dr be in this process? Confirming that the patient has told them they are trans? Or would the Dr still need to diagnose that their patient is trans or gender dysphoric? Couldn't this potentially cause difficulties for doctors? Especially for those doctors who are signing off on youngsters who later detransition and regret surgeries. Or for those doctors who won't sign off on someone who maybe has mental health issues?

misogyny not in any way being a criminal offence

Our hate crime laws don't create new criminal offences; they just make existing crimes more serious if they're motivated by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or transgender status.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind that suggestion of doing it that way!

We already do have self ID.

Because even though you need a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is now made by self ID.

When the GRA was created, transsexuals went through a lengthy process of psychiatric assessment before they were approved for treatment. This no longer happens. All the gender clinics now work on 'affirmation only', the only criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is that the patient says they have it.

A 45 minute chat with a nurse, and another 45minute chat with a psychiatrist, and the patient gets their diagnosis, and can start treatment that will permanently damage their health. And presumably get the signatures required for a GRC.

Labour's position doesn't stand up to scrutiny. And there will be scrutiny. And there is now less fear of scrutinising- shout out to Beth Rigby. They will come unstuck.

It's not about losing votes to the Tories - who are also untrustworthy on women's rights. It's about people not voting at all. Labour only win if enough people get out and vote for them. If people stay home (or spoil the paper) they lose.

One thing I will agree with her on is that the Tories are trying to stoke up division. After all, they have in almost all their policies harmed women either directly or indirectly, or in lack of action such as misogyny not in any way being a criminal offence (possibly because Boris Johnson is the most misogynistic Prime Minister at least for 40 years).

And they have had plenty of time to act and protect women.

Labour are SCARED. They know this is an issue they are vulnerable on and are trying to create a position where they can keep the Pro-woman and TRA side both happy. Obviously longterm that can't work, BUT can it work during the run up to the election next year ?

That is up to the Gender crit side. We have a 9-12 months when our voices have max impact, we can get media attention. We need to strike NOW more demos, more grass root meetings, more demands, because after Labour gains power lobby groups, corporations will have way bigger impact behind the scenes.

Key Example - the violent attack on the Women's rights rally in Aberdeen yesterday following up on the now notorious "Punch a Terf" Rally in London on July 8th.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4853886-women-wont-wheesht-aberdeen?page=1

We should be demanding Labour condemn the violence against women because of TRA rhetoric happening right now. Demand they give Labour Women's Declaration a public place at the Labour Conference in October. Because the key problem for this artificial consensus is TRA demands in reality actually require silencing women and allowing violence against them. Dodds' words are the theory. Aberdeen is the reality - the same reality as the attack in Hyde Park in 2018 .
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/04/27/trans-identified-male-tara-wolf-charged-assault-hyde-park-attack/

You can't try to stop VAWG when actually supporting groups which love it. If Labour condemn the attack in Aberdeen they are on the spot WHEN it happens again because it will.

Everyone reading this thread should DO something to pressure Labour. Write a letter. Plan to organise a meet up, join together. Get active.

Even if this is a genuine move in the right direction, I remain unconvinced that Labour are going to get the majority they envisage in the GE. I can imagine a Labour-led coalition which would place this issue in dangerous territory for those that understand the importance of biological reality. We know where the other parties who could form a coalition stand on this.

Anyway, sex and gender are different.
Sex is a real thing and gender is a made-up construct.