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Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

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ACatCalledPushka · 23/07/2023 22:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

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SpidersAreShitheads · 24/07/2023 10:55

Thank you @Clymene - much appreciated! I wanted to share it with a few people. Don’t know why I couldn’t find it 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Helleofabore · 24/07/2023 10:50

Loving this person’s reply to Sharron Davies tweet:

You’re male, use the changing room with other males or at the very least the unisex changing room! Deciding you wanting to change where you want to change does NOT trump women & girls rights. Ps I don’t know a single female that would subject that level of discomfort on others

It reads

”Sharron you know nothing about me, and all you know about the incident is what i have revealed. Don't presume to know things about me with no evidence. It shows an arrogance which is not becoming.”

This is a person upfront about the fact they transitioned from male to a woman identity. It is highly likely as others have said, this individual gets off on ‘persecution’, loves to remonstrate nasty wimmen telling them they are male.

Clymene · 24/07/2023 10:40

SpidersAreShitheads · 24/07/2023 10:39

Has anyone got a link to the original Twitter thread? I can’t seem to find it….

twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

SpidersAreShitheads · 24/07/2023 10:39

Has anyone got a link to the original Twitter thread? I can’t seem to find it….

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 24/07/2023 10:36

Rightsraptor · 23/07/2023 22:14

Perhaps the Mercure Hotel Sheffield deserve a few messages of thanks.

I'm glad to see this - only because I'm sure it was Mercure Cardiff (? maybe not Cardiff) that cancelled a women's meeting after pressure from TRAs. Few years ago now. But I guess I'm hoping it's showing a shift.

ILikeDungs · 24/07/2023 10:32

"For some transwomen this is absolutely part of the driver. We know this because they tell us so."

As is often said on this board: when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Helleofabore · 24/07/2023 10:32

Don’t let’s forget two very prominent males with trans identities who mocked women’s toilet habits and noises? Montgomery? and S Faye wasn’t it?

Misogyny is never far from a male with a trans identity who uses female single sex spaces. It is in their everyday interactions.

sashh · 24/07/2023 10:24

There are two Mercures in Sheffield, how do we know which one it is?

Motorina · 24/07/2023 10:15

WallaceinAnderland · 24/07/2023 00:10

I don't think I've ever heard of any situations where a man has gained access to women's changing rooms as a transwomen, for male sexual gratification?

Look up AGP. We're not allowed to talk about here so this message might get zapped but it's what drives many men to insist on female spaces rather than third spaces.

Grace Lavery wrote a book about being trans and is absolutely explicit that being in a woman’s loo, with a woman peeing in the next cubicle, is arousing.

Grayson Perry has stated he wears wide skirts to hide the erections.

For some transwomen this is absolutely part of the driver. We know this because they tell us so.

SkaterBrained · 24/07/2023 10:06

Even if the motivation wasn't sexual, making people uncomfortable for validation isn't acceptable either.

This is a clear case of having no "good" reason for being in the female space. They weren't unsafe in the unisex space, they weren't being "outed" as they clearly don't pass and anyone can use a unisex space. The only reason is sexual or validation - neither of which women should be sacrificing themselves for.

teawamutu · 24/07/2023 09:55

I've emailed them to suggest that, instead of re-education, the staff member is thanked for protecting women's safety, privacy and dignity (and is commended for her grasp of the Equality Act).

NicCageisnotNickCave · 24/07/2023 09:39

Rightsraptor · 23/07/2023 22:14

Perhaps the Mercure Hotel Sheffield deserve a few messages of thanks.

I’m posting a card today!

Hannahsbananas · 24/07/2023 09:33

The irony is flabbergasting, isn’t it?
Howls of outrage when asked to use the unisex facility, whilst trying to make the ladies provision just that.

Nothing voyeuristic about it at all…

Alltheprettyseahorses · 24/07/2023 09:29

The women using the spa section did not pay silly amounts of money to be served up on a plate to any man who fancied exploiting them for validation (at best). In this situation, the complainant has removed all agency - all humanity - from them, they are nothing more than props. As a PP said, what if he did go into the women's changing room and it was empty?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 24/07/2023 08:56

Ann had not deleted the tweet or made the account t private despite hundreds of “Ann’s a man” replies.

I expect Ann had a humiliation fetish too and doesn’t mind the mean spirited/factual posts, which is a bit yuck. However, it is useful for people to see the ratio of supportive v FFS messages.

things are changing, even if that is not Ann in the female chnagig. Room

BreatheAndFocus · 24/07/2023 08:56

Well done, Mercury Hotel in Sheffield! Your employee acted correctly according to the Equality Act and balanced the needs of women and trans-identifying males. The trans woman was offered a safe space to undress in that wasn’t the Male one, maintains their dignity and privacy, and women were able to maintain their single sex space to which they are entitled.

I know two trans women, one young, one older. Neither change in female changing rooms. They use Unisex (to avoid comments and worse in the Male ones) They wouldn’t dream of trying to draw attention to themselves like this or trying to impose on women.

Helleofabore · 24/07/2023 08:45

@Teenagehorrorbag

I understand that you have been unexposed to the real motivations of these males. There will be some males who suffer from gender disphoria. However, even amongst those are males who respect female people and will use toilets that are not female single sex toilets.

Some Others insist because it
validates them. I can post numerous threads on this board where males have posted stating they fully understand women and girls are distressed, but they will never stop using female single sex spaces.

Some males use the female single sex spaces because it heightens their arousal for whatever sexual fetish they might have. It could be envisioning themselves as a woman or it could be another sexual need they have.

Some males have such a significant hatred of women saying no, this is all the motivation they need. There are plenty of males filming themselves in female single sex spaces making threats, carrying weapons, or showing their penises as some kind power move over women. Twitter has plenty, we cannot post them here.

Once you realise the various motivations, it really sinks in that you cannot tell what the motivation is for that male to be there. They don’t were signs at all. So the only thing left is a full exclusion, knowing that not all are like that, but plenty are so this is the safest and fairest option - full exclusion.

Please look up WiSpa, this thread pulled together a great deal of information as it came to light. Including two previous incidents involving children. All with semi arousals. The male individual in the June 21 incident was finally captured and was a known sex offender. It was further clouded by police reports of a ‘woman’, that they were looking for. Was it the same male all three times? I have never found that out.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles

And here is a more recent one in Canada

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-trans-woman-confronted-by-mother-in-swimming-pool-locker-room-is-a-convicted-pedophile/

Once you start to see them, there are many reports out there.

There was a person who also started to collect the growing number of male individuals who filmed themselves masturbating, complete with their estrogen or cosmetically enhanced breasts, in female toilets. Their penises were fully functional. In some you could hear mothers toileting their children in the background. Twitter banned that person and the links disappeared.

Then you have the women’s reports about Lia Thomas’ reaction in the changing rooms. Google will bring up many articles and videos. In amongst it was at least one woman stating that Thomas was fully intact and semi aroused. Now I believe that Thomas is currently in a male homosexual relationship (they both call themselves lesbians) so, this has some likelihood of being a male aroused by being believed to be female.

This male below was not allowed in the shared showers or toilets. However, witnessed the young women in various states of undress and those women have commented on this male individual’s state of arousal. This male was allowed in the women’s single sex space and used it for sexual gratification.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12087465/amp/University-Wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-feel-vulnerable-trans-woman-peeps-them.html

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Helleofabore · 24/07/2023 08:10

https://twitter.com/flumoxxed1/status/1683196048804569088?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

If this is true, then this male has been insisting on being in female single sex spaces for quite some time.

From Twitter flummoxed1

”You'll be delighted to learn that he also competes against women in Swim England Masters comps. Came 2nd last year in the 200m breaststroke 65-69.”

I am sure at every meet and practice there is a change room incident.

https://twitter.com/flumoxxed1/status/1683196048804569088?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

CorruptedCauldron · 24/07/2023 07:58

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 24/07/2023 07:41

If this individual had gone into the ladies’ changing room and found it empty, what then? Without the women in it, it’s just another room. And if there werewomen inside, what does that room become when ‘Anne’ walks in? A unisex space. So you’d have a unisex changing room, a gents’ changing room and another unisex changing room. Bit unfair on the ladies, eh?

It's just grown (sometimes considerably 'mature') adults using toddler 'logic', isn't it? Like when they scream, demanding something - and then throw a tantrum because you give it to them!

Yes. So entitled! Despite freely admitting he doesn’t “pass”. The unisex offer was the perfect, sensible compromise yet still he threw his toys out of the pram - unable to see (or simply not bothered by the fact) that if he enters the ladies’ room, it’s no longer the ladies’ room.

BitOutOfPractice · 24/07/2023 07:57

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Tippingadvice · 24/07/2023 07:56

I think the Male, Female and Unisex changing rooms options are an acid test.

Male + Gender Dysphoria chooses Unisex

Male + paraphilia’s (AGP, voyeurism, exhibitionism etc) chooses Female

LeSlogo · 24/07/2023 07:54

Well done. More of this needs to happen

Tryingmuchharder · 24/07/2023 07:49

It's very much 'move over women and girls, trans woman coming through' with everything they do.

Pluvia · 24/07/2023 07:47

Kudos to the hotel staff. Please, Mercure Hotels, keep doing this. Protect your female clients from bumping into men like this in changing rooms.

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