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Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2023 00:25

I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

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IwantToRetire · 12/04/2023 00:30

They have shown no integrity OP. May didn't know what a woman was. Johnson didn't know what a woman was. Sunak didn't know what a woman was

Dear oh dear. I thought posters on this thread were claiming to be politically aware.

When you are in Government it is your responsibility to take into account facts, figures (hello liz truss) as well as voters opinion. Being the ruling party isn't about an MP going me, me, me, what I believe.

I suspect that is why Theresa May got such a negative reception because she was like some dutiful employee doing what she was led to believe was the right thing to do. Even taking on the complete dog's diner and lies of the Brexit campaign promises.

The integrity is that they had a consultation and responded to that. In other words they didn't do what many Labour administrations do which is go we know waht is best for you, you silly simple people and will impose our higher understanding on you even if it makes your life worse.

Your comments just show how out of touch peole have become with what is meant to be the democratic process. We dont have elections to put a dictator in power.

Comments earlier on about how this thread must be the product of tory central office or something and how this kept happening on FWR just shows posters dont read most threads on the forum where most women are alienated Labour voters, quite a few floating voters, all of whom express their concerns about how few true options there are for voting.

Far from FWR being infiltrated by Tory apparatchik, it seems poor incel Labour has impressed some of their handmaidens to come on threads like this with the really inventive, and deeply thought out analysis that if you criticise Labour you must be a Tory.

No wonder Labour policies blunder from one foot in mouth to another.

Am beginning to think that we better all start brushing up on our public speaking and stand as candidates for KJK Women's Party.

Two party politics seems to turn people into pre-programmed androids.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2023 00:04

ResisterRex · 11/04/2023 22:50

I'm torn between the faux "think that's what Conservatives for Women are?" and the "only 50% of Tory MPs know what a woman is". There again, the alleged silence of Tory supporting media is a good one too.

So much bollocks.

My figure of 50% comes from this thread, where a member talks about the figures in the latest newsletter. It's at the bottom of the page.

As for the role of the media, our first Trans MP wouldn't be able to sneeze without the Mail covering it if he was a member of any other party. They report every time AR as much as rolls her eyes at the government.

Datun · 12/04/2023 00:02

ohnonowwhat · 11/04/2023 23:52

Yeah, I didn't really understand how the extra police on patrol was going to help - does she think most child sex abuse happens in public? Or are they going to be marching around scrutinising every adult/child interaction to see if it could be possibly indicate child sex abuse - is it a dad innocently tickling his children to make them giggle or is he trying to groom them so they're used to adults touching them... pretty terrifying thought, hope they clarify.

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Didn't she say they would install people in schools?

Not quite sure how that would work. Looking out for children who might be abused? Because that still begs the question of what you're going to do with the abuser.

Or maybe identifying children who haven't been abused but would be potentially? Neat trick if you can pull that off 🙄

As Scrolling says, gobbledegook.

ohnonowwhat · 11/04/2023 23:52

ScrollingLeaves · 11/04/2023 23:24

IwantToRetire · Today 00:30
Have just found this - which would have been a better OP!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/listen-emily-thornberrys-car-crash-interview-on-sunak-smear/

Not only did she not seem to know that K S himself was one of the people who set
out the sentencing guidelines for child sexual abuse, but after she had said that Labour would ensure that every convicted child sex abuse would get a prison sentence, and so the interviewer had asked if Labour would, in that case, build the extra prisons that would be necessary to put everyone of those convicted of child sexual abuse in prison, she said no because they would increase community policing and this would prevent child sexual abuse in the first place. That is all complete nonsense. Gobbledygook.

Yeah, I didn't really understand how the extra police on patrol was going to help - does she think most child sex abuse happens in public? Or are they going to be marching around scrutinising every adult/child interaction to see if it could be possibly indicate child sex abuse - is it a dad innocently tickling his children to make them giggle or is he trying to groom them so they're used to adults touching them... pretty terrifying thought, hope they clarify.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/04/2023 23:24

IwantToRetire · Today 00:30
Have just found this - which would have been a better OP!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/listen-emily-thornberrys-car-crash-interview-on-sunak-smear/

Not only did she not seem to know that K S himself was one of the people who set
out the sentencing guidelines for child sexual abuse, but after she had said that Labour would ensure that every convicted child sex abuse would get a prison sentence, and so the interviewer had asked if Labour would, in that case, build the extra prisons that would be necessary to put everyone of those convicted of child sexual abuse in prison, she said no because they would increase community policing and this would prevent child sexual abuse in the first place. That is all complete nonsense. Gobbledygook.

Listen: Emily Thornberry’s car crash interview on Sunak smear

What do you do when you’re in a hole? Stop digging. Apparently Emily Thornberry didn’t get the memo. The Shadow Attorney General was wheeled out on the Easter Monday media round to defend Labour’s attack advert which claims that Rishi Sunak isn’t tough...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/listen-emily-thornberrys-car-crash-interview-on-sunak-smear

dimorphism · 11/04/2023 23:07

It is to the credit of the Tories, which I am saying not because I am a Tory but appreciate integrity, that as a result of the consultation, and the huge push back by women about the loss of women's sex based rights, that the Tories put self id on hold.

And it is worrying to think that had Labour been in power at the time, they would most probably have ignored women, as they are doing now (or even banning them) and self id would probably be enshrined in law now.

Repeating the above because this the reality I've been living through.

Also I saw Johnson say what a woman was on camera quite bluntly and that biological differences between the sexes mattered. I've just googled and yes indeed, there were loads of articles about it mid last year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10955615/Boris-Johnson-says-difference-woman-trans-woman.html

And if Labour had been in power we'd be NZ where a baying mob tried very hard to kill a woman for saying women don't have penises, and a 70 year old woman got her skull cracked after being punched by a misogynist male high on woman hatred, encouraged by politicians and the media. Or Canada where that ridiculous prosthetic breast teacher was allowed to gaslight children for months and months and months - putting the children's needs well below an adult males fetish / mental disorder / trolling political statement / authentic identity (depending on what you believe). But definitely the children's needs were dead last. Or Scotland where 6ft5 Dolatowski is out of prison after attacking a 10 year old and filming another child and breaching his bail repeatedly, despite his father begging the authorities to lock him up because he's a clear danger to children. Or Isla Bryson in his pink leggings, or the rapist who hasn't even been sent to jail after raping a 13 year old in a park.

As previously discussed in this thread, things can always get worse. The Tories might not be great, but they're very clearly the least worst option by some margin because they are at least pretending (I am sure in some cases) to care about women's and children's rights - and in the case of women like Miriam Cates and Kemi Badenoch I believe they really do care. And these women are not abused and gaslighted by their own party for caring about safeguarding.

ResisterRex · 11/04/2023 22:50

I'm torn between the faux "think that's what Conservatives for Women are?" and the "only 50% of Tory MPs know what a woman is". There again, the alleged silence of Tory supporting media is a good one too.

So much bollocks.

Datun · 11/04/2023 22:46

Plus they kicked self ID out and have stopped it, so far, in Scotland.

Datun · 11/04/2023 22:44

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 22:20

They have shown no integrity OP. May didn't know what a woman was. Johnson didn't know what a woman was. Sunak didn't know what a woman was, although I've heard he's come round. Conservatives For Women (I think that's their name, I understand they're similar to Labour Women's Declaration?) found that only 50% of Tory MPs knew what a woman was in a recent poll. And the Tory government have no plans to safeguard Women's rights from TRAs.

What happened was Tory supporting media didn't really cover what the Tories were doing. They hoped that by highlighting genderwoo being spouted by other parties the Tories would get the message, without damaging their voter base. At the same time space to any Tory who spoke out. That's why so many people believed the lie "At least the Conservatives know what a woman is."

While all the time TWAW was the majority belief in the Tory government, they were writing genderwoo into policy, their MPs were reporting women for chatting on Twitter. They have continued to appoint TRAs to prominent positions.

Like kemi, Suella braverman, Hilary Cass?

DemiColon · 11/04/2023 22:32

Christ on a bike.

JanesLittleGirl · 11/04/2023 22:29

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 22:20

They have shown no integrity OP. May didn't know what a woman was. Johnson didn't know what a woman was. Sunak didn't know what a woman was, although I've heard he's come round. Conservatives For Women (I think that's their name, I understand they're similar to Labour Women's Declaration?) found that only 50% of Tory MPs knew what a woman was in a recent poll. And the Tory government have no plans to safeguard Women's rights from TRAs.

What happened was Tory supporting media didn't really cover what the Tories were doing. They hoped that by highlighting genderwoo being spouted by other parties the Tories would get the message, without damaging their voter base. At the same time space to any Tory who spoke out. That's why so many people believed the lie "At least the Conservatives know what a woman is."

While all the time TWAW was the majority belief in the Tory government, they were writing genderwoo into policy, their MPs were reporting women for chatting on Twitter. They have continued to appoint TRAs to prominent positions.

It's true for you if that is what you believe.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 22:20

They have shown no integrity OP. May didn't know what a woman was. Johnson didn't know what a woman was. Sunak didn't know what a woman was, although I've heard he's come round. Conservatives For Women (I think that's their name, I understand they're similar to Labour Women's Declaration?) found that only 50% of Tory MPs knew what a woman was in a recent poll. And the Tory government have no plans to safeguard Women's rights from TRAs.

What happened was Tory supporting media didn't really cover what the Tories were doing. They hoped that by highlighting genderwoo being spouted by other parties the Tories would get the message, without damaging their voter base. At the same time space to any Tory who spoke out. That's why so many people believed the lie "At least the Conservatives know what a woman is."

While all the time TWAW was the majority belief in the Tory government, they were writing genderwoo into policy, their MPs were reporting women for chatting on Twitter. They have continued to appoint TRAs to prominent positions.

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2023 21:38

Sorry but this is getting stupid.

As posted the GRA 2004 and the EA 2010 were both past when Labour was in power 1994 - 2010.

And as we know, particularly on mumsnet FWR, following it that a network of queer activists and Stonewall affiliates pushed the boundaries, not just publicly, but by getting seats on committees etc. for self ID.

This resulted in the then Government (Tories) putting out a consultation on bringing in Self ID, because influenced by a well organised group of advocates, they were lead to believe that this was the logical next step.

It is to the credit of the Tories, which I am saying not because I am a Tory but appreciate integrity, that as a result of the consultation, and the huge push back by women about the loss of women's sex based rights, that the Tories put self id on hold.

And it is worrying to think that had Labour been in power at the time, they would most probably have ignored women, as they are doing now (or even banning them) and self id would probably be enshrined in law now.

I dont think women can rely on either party to be champions of women's rights, but to try and fabricate facts to suit some implausible narrative because of some unblinkered party loyalty, is what makes many people, not just posters on FWR, floating voters.

If the people pushing a particular party's policys are such entrenched my way or no way, is it any wonder that people dont care about voting.

Let alone standing by the student union publicity stunts such as Labour's purile attack ads.

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ResisterRex · 11/04/2023 20:40

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:34

Unfortunately not ResisterRex. Here's what was happening by 2021. Even though some Tory MPs were talking about "rolling back" in the media, as far as parliament was concerned the Tory government were still pursuing a TWAW agenda.

https://debbiehayton.com/2021/03/17/why-does-penny-mordaunt-think-trans-men-are-men/

This references the MOMA. Which properly reflected the status of "mother" and did not take the turn you'd like to indicate it did.

How about engaging with Datun's points?

EmotionalSupportHyena · 11/04/2023 20:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:19

Who was in government in 2015? Oh yeah, the Tories.

Men in Women’s prisons long PREDATES 2015.

GRA and EQ10 are both Labour.

Datun · 11/04/2023 20:30

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:15

It is the case.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

She let people change gender without medical checks. And since then genderwoo has been written into policy, allowing male sex offenders to be put on women's wards and in women's prisons, where they sexually assaulted women. Allowing boys into girls' facilities in school. Opening the floodgates so we are in the mess we're in now.

Some Tories claim to be "rolling back" but they are not rolling back, although they might have pushed the Pause button in some areas. They could do much more. But they won't because Sunak fears that even with his large majority, he wouldn't be able to get enough support from Tory MPs to reverse the damage and safeguard women's rights.

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That's not self ID. Self ID is the acquisition of a GRC with no criteria.

Letting men into women's spaces, or not, is policy.

There is no law to prevent them. It's exemptions in the equality act which does that. And they need to be clarified as based on sex as a biological state, not sex as a legal one.

ResisterRex · 11/04/2023 20:27

Is it just me, or does that Guardian article say May "plan[ned] to" rather than "let people" change gender without medical checks?

And then, after that, wasn't there massive pushback, whereafter it did not happen?

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:19

Who was in government in 2015? Oh yeah, the Tories.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 20:15

Flowerly · 11/04/2023 18:24

Not the case.

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It is the case.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

She let people change gender without medical checks. And since then genderwoo has been written into policy, allowing male sex offenders to be put on women's wards and in women's prisons, where they sexually assaulted women. Allowing boys into girls' facilities in school. Opening the floodgates so we are in the mess we're in now.

Some Tories claim to be "rolling back" but they are not rolling back, although they might have pushed the Pause button in some areas. They could do much more. But they won't because Sunak fears that even with his large majority, he wouldn't be able to get enough support from Tory MPs to reverse the damage and safeguard women's rights.

Theresa May plans to let people change gender without medical checks

Speaking at Pink News awards dinner, prime minister reiterates her commitment to improving trans rights

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

EmotionalSupportHyena · 11/04/2023 20:14

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 19:53

The amnesia around this is crazy.🤯

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It’s not amnesia, it’s a longer-term memory!

Men were being placed in Women’s prisons before 2015.

Flowerly · 11/04/2023 19:57

It's the rewriting of history - if they say it happened this way then that's how it happened.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/04/2023 19:53

LexMitior · 11/04/2023 17:10

@TooBigForMyBoots - quite right. It's been a Conservative government that put men in women's prisons and allowed sexual assault and rape to occur. That is on them. Changing guidelines in the last six months, asserting zip all authority over the criminal justice system when it had the power to do so but didn't is weak and disengenuous.

The amnesia around this is crazy.🤯

Shelefttheweb · 11/04/2023 19:36

The Conservatives both created this monster and defended it practically

This monster (TWAW) was created by Labour through the 2004 GRA

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