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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

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Kucinghitam · 09/03/2023 09:19

Continuation of Thread 3.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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Gonners · 09/03/2023 22:04

We have data from a left-hander who is happy for me to share this. Right sac hangs very visibly lower, but left testicle seems to be bigger. MrG points out that this may, of course, be because it's more "compacted" into a smaller sac. In the absence of scales and calipers, this is the best we can do.

MrG says he very much hopes this helps, though he's not quite sure with what.

Kucinghitam · 09/03/2023 20:33

I don't know about size, but isn't it usually the left one that hangs a bit lower?

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SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 19:55

Winterborne74 · Today 18:35

That's not very public spirited of you.

Be fair, he's posting from his motorbike and needs ONE hand on the bars...

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 19:55

This is from the Jess Philips Femicide thread:

b HebeMumsnet · Today 19:51

Evening, everyone. We're afraid we're going to take this down now. As you know, we do allow discussion of biological facts here and we know that these discussions are important. However, this thread feels a bit personal and, let's not forget, concerns the murder of a child whose family and friends have been devastated by this loss. We just don't think this particular discussion will come to any good. We hope you understand.

Gonners · 09/03/2023 19:26

It's still 2-all in Lisbon, but - having given it some thought - I think left/right handedness is somehow related to the brain, whereas all the evidence suggest that bollocks surely aren't.

duc748 · 09/03/2023 19:00

"Things you thought you'd never say on Mumsnet..." 😀

Gonners · 09/03/2023 18:36

duc748 · 09/03/2023 18:33

I'm left-handed, but I don't feel like checking.

Maybe later, eh? MrG is also left-handed - will ask him when the Arsenal match is over.

Winterborne74 · 09/03/2023 18:35

That's not very public spirited of you.

duc748 · 09/03/2023 18:33

I'm left-handed, but I don't feel like checking.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/03/2023 18:32

I wonder whether there's any relation to handedness, or whether it's a more fixed asymmetry like which side the heart is.

MavisMcMinty · 09/03/2023 17:30

Winterborne74 · 09/03/2023 13:16

I am now picturing them being weighed on the scales of justice, perfectly balanced.

Ah, except I don’t think they are perfectly balanced.

And google tells me The right testis is usually 10% larger than the left.

StephanieSuperpowers · 09/03/2023 16:54

I'm quite pleased IWD is over.

angelico53 · 09/03/2023 16:27

Some remarkable posts here today.

Tricyrtis2022 · 09/03/2023 14:23

@BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn that is such an apt quote!

Tricyrtis2022 · 09/03/2023 14:21

I read this years ago but it makes sense to me. It's about the philosopher Giambattista Vico (1668—1744) and his thoughts on society and The Barbarism of Reflection in his work 'New Science'.

Vico claims that history begins in a barbarism of sense and ends in a barbarism of reflection. The barbarism of reflection is a returned barbarism in which the common sense established by religion through poetic wisdom holding a society together has been broken down by individual interests. The interests are spurred because individuals each think according to their own conceptual scheme without concern for the society, which makes it barbaric.

Vico describes the returned barbarism this way, “such peoples [in the barbarism], like so many beasts, have fallen into the custom of each man thinking only of his own private interests and have reached the extreme delicacy, or better of pride, in which like wild animals they bristle and lash out at the slightest displeasure (NS 1106).” These private interests lead into a civil war in which everyone betrays everyone else. This takes humanity back to where it started — individual giants acting solely on their own individual passions.

Sound familiar?

Tricyrtis2022 · 09/03/2023 14:14

Yes, it is, Sparts: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4758761-what-are-your-thoughts-on-agender-people

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/03/2023 14:13

agender

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/03/2023 14:12

Is the gender thread back?

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 13:52

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 13:34

There is an interesting essay: Dostoevsky and the Pleasure of Taking Offense There's a good quotation from the Karamazov novel (said by Father Zosima):

That's a perfect description of someone I know.

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 13:49

the testicles of objectivity

Is that just another way of saying "a load of old bollocks"?

Kucinghitam · 09/03/2023 13:40

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/03/2023 13:34

This post, over on the Alice Walker thread:

RethinkingLife · Today 13:02

There is an interesting essay: Dostoevsky and the Pleasure of Taking Offense

There's a good quotation from the Karamazov novel (said by Father Zosima):

“A man who lies to himself is the first to take offense. It sometimes feels very good to take offense, doesn’t it? And surely he knows that no one has offended him, and that he himself has invented the offense and told lies just for the beauty of it, that he has exaggerated for the sake of effect, that he has picked on a word and made a mountain out of a pea—he knows all that, and still he is the first to take offense, he likes feeling offended, it gives him great pleasure, and thus he reaches the point of real hostility.”

And there's a nice discussion of this.

A scholar of Russian literature named Gary Saul Morson recently responded to such questions when talking of The Brothers Karamazov. “We appreciate that people, far from maximizing their own advantage, sometimes deliberately make victims of themselves in order, for example, to feel morally superior.” In this sense, taking offense can transform humiliation into the pride of victimhood, thus embodying the contradictory commixture we all experience, at least minimally, of self-importance and the feeling of inadequacy around others who appear to have an advantage. Offense-taking invigorates a righteous indignation in which disgrace and self-importance are merged into a false victory. To react with indignation suggests an inviolable personal center that, by the sheer magnitude of the outburst, seems to demonstrate its own validity. In this way, offense-taking can manifest the inward inconsistencies and the quiet lies we tell ourselves.

quillette.com/2022/06/17/the-duelist-mentalityon-the-allures-of-taking-offense/

Fuck yes, that's an amazingly accurate way to describe TRSOHers We Have Known.

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Winterborne74 · 09/03/2023 13:39

Eerie! Very good, I enjoyed that @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn 😉Will go and read the thread now.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/03/2023 13:34

This post, over on the Alice Walker thread:

RethinkingLife · Today 13:02

There is an interesting essay: Dostoevsky and the Pleasure of Taking Offense

There's a good quotation from the Karamazov novel (said by Father Zosima):

“A man who lies to himself is the first to take offense. It sometimes feels very good to take offense, doesn’t it? And surely he knows that no one has offended him, and that he himself has invented the offense and told lies just for the beauty of it, that he has exaggerated for the sake of effect, that he has picked on a word and made a mountain out of a pea—he knows all that, and still he is the first to take offense, he likes feeling offended, it gives him great pleasure, and thus he reaches the point of real hostility.”

And there's a nice discussion of this.

A scholar of Russian literature named Gary Saul Morson recently responded to such questions when talking of The Brothers Karamazov. “We appreciate that people, far from maximizing their own advantage, sometimes deliberately make victims of themselves in order, for example, to feel morally superior.” In this sense, taking offense can transform humiliation into the pride of victimhood, thus embodying the contradictory commixture we all experience, at least minimally, of self-importance and the feeling of inadequacy around others who appear to have an advantage. Offense-taking invigorates a righteous indignation in which disgrace and self-importance are merged into a false victory. To react with indignation suggests an inviolable personal center that, by the sheer magnitude of the outburst, seems to demonstrate its own validity. In this way, offense-taking can manifest the inward inconsistencies and the quiet lies we tell ourselves.

quillette.com/2022/06/17/the-duelist-mentalityon-the-allures-of-taking-offense/

Britinme · 09/03/2023 13:17

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/03/2023 13:16

A sentence you probably didn't expect to type today, Brit. 😆

I very much enjoyed the appearance of Borges' list on the agender thread.

So true!

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/03/2023 13:16

A sentence you probably didn't expect to type today, Brit. 😆

I very much enjoyed the appearance of Borges' list on the agender thread.

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