Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

Oh, so Hamza is a hate filled bigot, along with Nicola Sturgeon. Who could have predicted that? Caught in their own net, to the dulcet tones of nano violins.

How about some irony:

twitter.com/fuelsteel/status/1636142871773429761?s=61&t=kGVJW3nqB0HwN7e30O6LKw

I apologise for thinking you were referring to me. If you'd let me know that was the case earlier I'd have said no more but you didn't so I continued. I'm happy to leave you alone. You're still misrepresenting what I said re pronouns but you do you.

No, NotDrowning, I was responding to someone else's comment and you chose to make it all about you and take it personally and give me a good scolding about how pronouns never hurt anyone.

Ive explained my comments repeatedly, but I'm not going to apologise because I don't believe I said anything wrong. So could you just leave me alone now please? Thanks.

Hi all, I've just asked for a number of my posts to be deleted. I'm not acting in bad faith, I promise you, but just realised that there is private information I shouldn't have shared and could cause upset. Thanks all.

Keeping girls safe is an aspiration. But it's quite hard to do because if you go around punishing boys, it's just terribly difficult. However, if there's a trouble free way of keeping girls safe without any inconvenience to the important pupils, they'll be all over it.

how did the supervisor miss the boy taking the time to kick a door repeatedly, until he broke the lock?

Quite! Apparently the doors have been kicked so hard that the locks no longer work. As for the reaction from the school, it's pathetic, just words. They've done nothing to keep those girls safe from the boys.

Tricyrtis2022 · Today 17:41

Where did the link go?

Bloody Hell, that's horrible. I see that the school has issued the expected mealy-mouthed platitudes of dishonesty and out "The safety of all our students is paramount." They've had a series of complaints and essentially ignored them all.

They claim that the unisex toilets are supervised; so how did the supervisor miss the boy taking the time to kick a door repeatedly, until he broke the lock?

I don't see why we should have unisex loos in schools at all.

Where did the link go?

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

After reading about the girl at the school in Coventry where a boy kicked the toilet door in, which hit her head, and she ended up in hospital, I've gone 'live' on fb. One reaction so far, from my cousin, who it seems is also a terf. I have a few 'twaw' in my contact list on fb, so am curious to see what happens next.

The post has been vacant a while, so may be uncontested. The union is a captured one (ate there any that aren't?) but this year's planned campaigns are decidedly biological.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 09:42

Union branch AGM upcoming. I've put myself forward as women's officer.

I wish you all the best with that! And fingers crossed that no chaps call Keaghleeigh have applied...

Yes, how dare we not go along with the lie that men can be women if those men are nice people! Who cares how uncomfortable it makes other women, or what it leads to us being expected to sacrifice, as long as you never make a man feel the slightest bit uncomfortable.

I hope this is clear now because what a fucking waste of everyone's time this is.

Which takes us back to the initial problem of men not being told "no" when they first declared they were women. But we are where we are.

@YetAnotherSpartacus - thanks. Good to know I'm not the only one with that reaction but I don't want to waste any more time parsing posts as @beastlyslumber and I clearly read them differently.

Relevant part of NotDrowing's original post:

A couple of weeks ago I was chatting with her girlfriend and she referred to my neighbour as he so I got what the pronoun was. Today I was talking and I inadvertently used she when talking about the conversation with the girlfriend and also about a niece and blah and ... Neighbour was "It really doesn't matter. It's just a thing. I get it, don't worry." I was worried that I'd upset him because whatever my views are in general when it comes to an individual who I actively like I never want to cause offence.

I did not respond to this, because even though I disagree that we shouldn't correctly sex people if they're nice, I don't really care what NotDrowning does about her neighbour and she put it as a personal post.

But then another poster said this:

I wish there was a like button on Mumsnet but as there isn't I'll just say how much your post resonates with me. I would never, ever dream of misgendering the transwoman I know and that's partially because she doesn't give a shit about it, she just wants to live her life peacefully.

And I did respond then, saying:

But it's not misgendering.

If you want to collude in a friend's fantasy, that's absolutely your choice and I'm sure your friends appreciate it.

But please don't suggest that using the correct pronouns for someone's sex is rude. A man does not become 'she' if he's really really nice. My judgement of what pronouns to use is based on sex, not personality, depth of friendship or anything else.

NotDrowing then decided I was being very rude to her, personally, by using the phrase "colluding in a fantasy." She said that this was rude and that she felt that using someone's preferred pronouns was no one else's business because it didn't hurt anyone. Lots of rhetorical questions about does it hurt you, does it hurt other people, etc etc.

I responded that it wasn't rude to speak the truth, and:

Does it hurt other people? YES. It does, actually. Read "Pronouns are Rohypnol." Your lies only make it harder for women like me to speak the truth without censure.

NotDrowing then asked me what she thought she should do then, what was my great advice etc, and I said, do whatever you like, just don't tell other women they are being rude and misgendering for not doing the same. Then other people started scolding me for saying that to NotDrowning.

I stand by every word I've said here. I don't care if NotDrowning wants to join in the pretence with her friend/niece/whoever, but I don't want to be told it's rude or misgendering for me not to join in the pretence with her. That's all.

I hope this is clear now because what a fucking waste of everyone's time this is.

Note the crucial words "for me" and the clear statements that she isn't suggesting anyone else reacts in the same way.

That's how I read it too.

Selectively.

I've said my say and I'll leave it there. I just read what people write.

Well I know what I said, @Britinme. It's not my problem if posters like yourself decide I mean something other than what I say. As I've said ad nauseum, the pp can do whatever she likes wrt her relative. I just don't want her to call it misgendering when other women speak the truth.

I genuinely don't see how I can make this any clearer for you.

I am not trying to stir anything up - just to clarify what I think is a misunderstanding. I did read the earlier posts and I don't think they say what you claim.

Good luck!