Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

Thanks @Boiledbeetle Love when we can see a vote on these things. 99% think it's bollocks.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4769994-aibu-to-think-this-man-who-has-undergone-no-transitioning-should-be-allow-play-on-womens-teams-sick-to-my-stomach-this-is-happening

AIBU thread man playing on women's sports team.

I'm glad that Starmer has looked at the optics and realised that he can't go there but he's still a snake. He will go with the prevailing wind come what may which means that at any point he will turn again. And again. And again. He has no real convictions other than getting into power. His latest "We're going to cut crimes against women and children in half when we get into power." is ludicrous. How is he going to do that? It's another soundbite. Everything is a soundbite. So, yay, the current soundbite is a good one that will slow down the insanity but you can never trust a person who lacks all conviction.

Over 90 000 likes on her tweet. The silent majority is waking up.

Yep, I think we know how that's going to go.

https://twitter.com/AnaKasparian/status/1638608868485005314

forgot the link 🤦‍♀️

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xxyzz · Today 01:43

Links to these racists, pretending to support women would be good. Or else, you'll prove that you're lying.

Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks put her head over the parapet!

I knew she’d been having secret terf-adjacent thoughts for ages as she said something similar on a live TYT broadcast YEARS ago (commenting on that bizarre DSA event with the dude begging the conference to use non-gendered language for everyone) but they must have got some immediate pushback from their audience because when I went to find the clip to share it over here, it was gone.

3 and a half years later, she’s tweeted and doesn’t seem to be backing down.

Where? Point me to a thread? And please report any racist posts you see. I will do the same.

Same reason FWR is currently overrun with racists pretending to care about women’s rights currently?

Not for the first time, I fully agree with all of that, Crows.

I was reading about the lib dem conference in a daily email from the Glinner. Apparently and oh so delightfully, Ed Davey made his way into the conference just to ensure that the vote didn't happen and then fucked off again.

Re voting. I agree, each and every person has to do what is right for them when it comes to voting - well unless they're voting Tory, then they need to stay at home and do nothing at all - but spoiling your vote is a legitimate response to the current political culture with or without gender woo. There is no party that gives a flying fuck about ordinary people, that is working to make life better for ordinary people, that is truly bothered by migrants being treated like animals, that has ever given a shit about women as people in our own rights. I would not judge anyone for voting Labour or LibDem or Green for being a bit better than the current incumbents but I can't and won't vote for any of them.

There's a punter on the 'religious sex workers' thread.

Why the hell are there punters in FWR?

I'll just leave this here. Minnesota has awarded them Woman of the Year, in another case of pissing up women's legs.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11888153/Transgender-lawmaker-Minnesota-wins-USA-Today-Women-Year-alongside-Michelle-Obama.html#comments

@Kucinghitam

... "Brexit: Sunlit Uplands!"/ "Stop the small boats and send 'em to Rwanda"/ "Earth is Flat!"/ "Anthropogenic climate change is made-up"/ "Sex is a Spectrum and It is Impossible to Detect the Sex of members of our own species and Humans Can Be Born in the Wrong Body and Can Change Sex and Anyway the Best Ladies have Penises!"

I may adopt this as my manifesto for the BSSCRDF (bollock-spouting slogan-chanting reality-denying fantasist) party I am idly planning to found. I think we should do well.

Yeah, all of that. They say these things, they probably don't believe them themselves, but they say them anyway. Just seems to me that they will say any old shit, if their focus groups tell them that's what people want to hear (Brexit, Channel boats, etc). Except that, when it comes to GC, they are starting to find out that women won't wear it.

I was noodling around on twitter, noticed this tweet and read a bit of the thread to amuse myself. I then went back and noticed who had sent the original tweet. I'm heartbroken, it was the Friendly Atheist! I used to watch his YouTube videos (until, frankly, they got a bit repetitive). I'd heard the atheist youtubers had fallen hard for genderwoo, but this was the first time I'd run smack into it. Also the guy in the first comment, but I'd never much cared for him. Are there any atheist youtubers not keeping the new faith?

https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1637971772099133441?s=20

I'm sure that's a common position too, @Britinme . I'd have probably said similar myself 18 months ago. Although I've been massively underwhelmed by Starmer from the start. GC is just another issue where his insincerity shines through like a beacon.

I’m with your daughter, Brit, although down here it’ll probably be the Lib Dems with the best chance of unseating all the 20+K Tory majorities in the south-west. We cannot survive another Tory government, they have destroyed the UK. Everything else is secondary, to me.

My daughter in her 40s doesn't agree with us. She thinks getting the Tories out is more important than anything else and somewhat pooh poohs my GC concerns.

I don't really want to pile into that Labour Party thread, but does anyone else, as I am increasingly doing, kinda resent the idea/description that I am "socially conservative" in supporting women's rights? I don't consider that I've ever been "conservative", in a political or social sense, but is now, if Labour sheep and goats are being divided into "progressives" and "conservatives", us old (relatively) people are in the conservative group and the progressiveness is left to blue-haired youngsters?

If people in their twenties and thirties don't agree with us, we gotta big problem, surely?

It strikes me that, although I'd say the generally acceptable position on this has had to shift in our favour recently, largely due to the spotlight on the Isla Bryson case, there's a danger of that becoming the new border.

That is, an acceptance that there are bad actors and piss-takers, and that women have the right to say no to them in female spaces, but that it's still somehow unacceptable for women to say no male bodies in our space, regardless of GRC status, surgery, etc. That a man who's undergone SRS is not a specific serial threat and so what reason could we possibly have to object?

Yes I agree. We need not only to complain about threat, but also the attack on our privacy and dignity, which cannot be reconciled, and our perfect right to disbelieve in an unconvincing, flimsy, ideology.

A problem is that the "reasonable" sorts think all problems are minimal with some very limited safeguarding, and in this sexist society male feelings about being "othered" trump women's feelings.