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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

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Kucinghitam · 09/03/2023 09:19

Continuation of Thread 3.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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duc748 · 14/04/2023 11:23

Everyone has their own view, and I accept that. I'm not 'lending my vote' to anyone on current form.

dcbc1234 · 14/04/2023 11:10

duc748 · 14/04/2023 10:55

A good thing, of course. Why is this so hard to everyone else?

However, it will be Kuc's heat death of the universe before I ever vote Tory. But that's something we all have to decide for ourselves. Being disenfranchised sucks, though.

If you disenfranchise yourself on this, the misogynists have won. We are in the Handmaid's Tale for real. It is not the fault of women voters that all the left and centre-left parties are down the genderwoo rabbithole. Not only do they have a policy which removes our hard-won existing rights, they insult us and call us bigots. I resigned from Labour in 2017 and have no intention of going back.
Most Tories (probably not even Mordaunt?) have never insulted voters who were sceptical about gender identity ideology. The only way to keep the tide turning is to not lend your vote to those who would blatantly take your rights away.

duc748 · 14/04/2023 10:55

A good thing, of course. Why is this so hard to everyone else?

However, it will be Kuc's heat death of the universe before I ever vote Tory. But that's something we all have to decide for ourselves. Being disenfranchised sucks, though.

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mach2 · 13/04/2023 18:32

IcakethereforeIam · 13/04/2023 14:58

The YouTube algorithm thought I might want to watch this. I've never heard of this and am minded to take it with a pinch of salt but it is interesting (and short). Reminds me of the thread with the mum whose daughter would rather change schools than admit to being a heretic detransitioner.

Fry and Laurie got there first

Fry and Laurie - Religianto

Laurie Runs A Pantheistic Religious School -From: A B Of F A L (S04E07)

https://youtu.be/4R3pu-sjXBo

Tricyrtis2022 · 13/04/2023 17:27

That sounds familiar, @MmePoppySeedDefage. I was never in enough pain to faint, but remember regularly shivering with pain. Despite many visits to the GP it took until I was in my late 40s for anyone to listen. All I got told was stuff like 'Have a baby, that'll fix it', 'It's normal period pain' or 'It's your age'. It turned out to be fibroids and only my periods stopping put an end to the pain. I don't want to think about how much blood I lost over the years but it was a lot.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 13/04/2023 16:46

Important article: endometriosis is as common as diabetes but the proportion of funding that goes towards treating diabetes is around 20 times higher. As the NHS website helpfully puts it, “The cause of endometriosis is unknown.”

I was in so much pain I’d faint — yet doctors ignored me for decades.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17e89c12-d857-11ed-89ad-19e3cfc05db4?shareToken=b28bc2be2b7d2ca40193401bb8bdc2a33_

IcakethereforeIam · 13/04/2023 14:58

The YouTube algorithm thought I might want to watch this. I've never heard of this and am minded to take it with a pinch of salt but it is interesting (and short). Reminds me of the thread with the mum whose daughter would rather change schools than admit to being a heretic detransitioner.

How this high school turned into a fascist regime in 5 days

🔴Subscribe for more! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_2_OXERqC37jWHUEeqyCWQ?sub_confirmation=1One high school history class in Palo Alto, California found...

https://youtu.be/E1SEquRAWRU

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 13/04/2023 11:17

I found this , from the Anatomy of the Near Murder thread interesting and depressing, on the totalitarian nature and affiliations of a lot of the TRAs.

https://panoramicgutterview.blogspot.com/2023/03/four-fingers-pointing-back-tldr.html?m=1

Four Fingers Pointing Back - The TL;DR

Panoramic Views of The Gutter

https://panoramicgutterview.blogspot.com/2023/03/four-fingers-pointing-back-tldr.html?m=1

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duc748 · 12/04/2023 23:31

The 'surprisingly' is the best bit! 😀

NotDrowningJustCrowing · 12/04/2023 22:41

This paragraph amused the fuck out of me:

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation.

It's almost as though they have no fucking idea what actual sex is! Oh, sorry, that's right they don't.

Gonners · 12/04/2023 20:57

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet "Also, Twitter is 100% funnier since Elon took over."

Off-topic (so shoot me) but the interview with Elon on the BBC's Americast today probably didn't turn out as the hapless interviewer intended. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0fg4w44

BBC Radio - Americast, Elon Musk Speaks to the BBC

The multi-billionaire defended his ownership of Twitter in a last-minute interview.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0fg4w44

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 12/04/2023 20:45

Robin makes an embarrassing typo.

Also, Twitter is 100% funnier since Elon took over.

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4
Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4
Boiledbeetle · 12/04/2023 20:06

MmePoppySeedDefage · 12/04/2023 19:33

I see Robin has now locked down R's Twitter (or whatever one does when only Approved People can tweet at one).

Not before I commented! I remained rather restrained.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 12/04/2023 19:38

Worth preserving with a screenshot!

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4
Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4
MmePoppySeedDefage · 12/04/2023 19:33

I see Robin has now locked down R's Twitter (or whatever one does when only Approved People can tweet at one).

Boiledbeetle · 12/04/2023 18:58

SqueakyDinosaur · 11/04/2023 20:30

This is a really weird piece: https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

It presents what looks to me like a perfectly reasonable piece of research into what proportion of people would contemplate a relationship with a transperson, and reports numbers that aren't really very surprising, but frames the entire story as discrimination, rather than preference.

The note of outrage in these two paragraphs raised my eyebrows far more than the conclusions of the researchers:

"Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women. And 33% of the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer participants said they would only date a trans person of one gender but not the other, even though one may expect this group to be attracted to multiple genders.
Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women: 28% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks and 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man. There was no similar discrimination against trans men among those expected to be attracted to men: 0% of trans-inclusive gay men and only 5% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks excluded trans men from their dating pool."

Oh my! They really don't get it do they! Idiots

Tricyrtis2022 · 12/04/2023 18:02

Ooh, nice one from KS. Bet that stung!

SqueakyDinosaur · 12/04/2023 17:58

But definitely someone here, https://twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1645827499329191942

This does nothing to reduce my crush on Prof KS (see also: Naomi Cunningham).

https://twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1645827499329191942

angelico53 · 12/04/2023 07:59

Not you lot, obvs.

angelico53 · 12/04/2023 07:59

Idiots.

duc748 · 11/04/2023 21:51

I thought the days of judging people on who they choose to have sex with were long gone, but they seem to be back big-time now.

And what bint and Mavis said.

MavisMcMinty · 11/04/2023 21:35

From that article:

Romantic relationships are one of the most important sources of social support for adults. The fact that most cis people would not consider trans people as potential dating partners is yet another serious risk factor for increased psychological and physical health problems among the trans population.

IT’S ALL OUR FAULT, AGAIN.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 11/04/2023 21:29

It's almost as if sex is an important factor in sexual orientation. Astounding.