Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

[Apologies for slightly cliquey post]

Those of us who recently came over from Another Place may remember one of the other-view posters who initially engaged on the topic urged Contrapoint as a good source of information. I wonder whether that poster still watches the channel, and if so whether this prompted any reconsideration of the need to protect children and young people who are playing with identity while too young to understand permanent consequences.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4793827-some-contrapoint-quotes

[Non cliquey comment] Poor kid. It's an awful situation to be in even privately, but must be doubly hard when transition has been such a public part of someone's identity. I really hope it makes some of the channel's viewers think twice before doing anything irreversible.

I have the same thought as when I saw the footage of the blue-haired stormtroopers occupying Evergreen college and pretty much imprisoning the staff - clear the fuckers with batons.

I wonder how many protestors have even bothered to watch the film they’re trying to prevent others from seeing?

It’s all very DOWN WITH THAT SORT OF THING!

Edinburgh University outdoes itself once more:

https://twitter.com/lnmackenzie1/status/1651257193637765125?s=61&t=vrfh73NvYySozkuIkLckQw

That is not one of my strengths.

Heh. Good luck with that last part

@BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn 'Identify or present' is entirely untethered to reality. A women's network open to those who identify or present as women includes those who aren't and excludes some who are. That's just a network of random people.

Maybe you should suggest abandoning the name "women's network" and renaming it "random people's network"? At least that way it would actually include all women. Try not to sound sarcastic, though.

Apologies if this was posted already, it’s a couple of weeks old, but I enjoyed this piece on the “hydra” of trans/gender ideology.

https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/battling-the-hydra-of-gender-ideology

Identify as is worse (and this was worse still 'identify or present as').

At least 'assigned at birth' has some relation to actual sex, even if erroneously/misleadingly expressed. A women's network open to those assigned female at birth would be a women's network for women.

'Identify or present' is entirely untethered to reality. A women's network open to those who identify or present as women includes those who aren't and excludes some who are. That's just a network of random people.

They're both as bad as each other, imho.

There's a quote I share from time to time:

"Go back to that state of pure being, where the 'I am' is still in its purity, before it got contaminated with 'I am this' or 'I am that'. Your burden is of false self-identifications, abandon them all" - Nisargadatta Maharaj

Hard to know which is worse: 'identify as', or 'assigned at birth as'.

Well, the bit that's been picked up is the rejection of 'cis'.

The bit about who actually counts as a woman (the 'identify as' phrase had reared its head) has been glossed over, but will certainly crop up again. I think I can at least keep the phrase out of the main document.

Yes, I want to know The Bombshell too!

Which particular bombshell, @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn ? Just the general "oh btw I don't believe men can become women" one?

Right. I've just thrown The Bomshell into the chat for our women's network setup group. Time to go for a walk.

the whole thing was a very painful watch. Going to admit it felt wrong to watch Jackie watch that KJK episode.

But this version is much better!

😃

The State Media have made a highlights clip!

(Also, if I was a model in a catwalk show and they covered my whole face with a fringed gas mask, I’d be a bit offended.)

Wow! No remaining traces of her Northern accent, how funny!

Curious, innit?

Compare and contrast to Jackie’s accent circa 2012 (video clip on the BBC website)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0112bjt

I listened to 20-30 minutes of that youtube video, but I’m afraid all three of those voices drive me mad, particularly Jackie’s - how did they get a transatlantic accent? Watching too many TikToks? When my niece was very young she could do a brilliant American accent, just from all the US cartoons she watched.

I do try to read around both sides of this issue, in order to try to make sure I understand how someone can come to a diametrically opposite conclusion to me. This is an interesting read on the GI point of view on the EHRC's proposal to amend the Equality Act 2010 to specify biological sex. I don't agree with it, but it did make me think about why.

https://t.co/F6jlqxH01U

Ooh. Nice catch! I screen recorded that bit for posterity.

Is it worth listening to the whole thing? Jackie’s voice is very weird (how does a kid from Leeds end up with Y2K Paris Hilton-esque California-girl vocal fry? 🙃) and I’m not enticed to listen to all of it unless it’s terf approved!