Lost friends because I am not a believer

Or bisexual or pansexual works as nobody will test those!

I always found this way of using 'privilege' inane as depending on context it assigns over 90% of people into the special category of those who have their private laws. "Cishetero" is more than 90%, after all. It also suggests that nobody is treated correctly, that you are either privileged or under-privileged, and once you see the problem like that the solution is not necessarily to stop treating the underprivileged so poorly and to work to raise their status. Finally, it's all about words and nothing about real resource transfers.

Something I have observed:

Much of the current younger generation's lefty social justice debate uses the concept of 'privilege' in such a way that if a teenager is white, middle class, heterosexual, 'neuronormal', physically fit, and possibly at least nominally Christian then she/he has zero oppression points and is mostly expected to be silent and self-debasing.

To buy their way out of that lowly position, teenagers can identify as trans or nonbinary or self-diagnose mental disorders etc. This raises their status among the lefty progressives.

My guess is that it was too good.

I have had a relative and close friend tell me it's the same as gay people, historically, fighting for their rights. When I asked for their take on how it's the same, they both told me it's just change we will have to accept eventually. These were 2 separate conversations.
I made a vow with myself not to bring up the conversation with either again; but if they do I will certainly be prepared to lose contact if they can't actually contribute a valid argument.

I've had the same, I kept quiet for five years then just though, fuck it, it's too important to keep quiet

Yes, this. If someone I might have thought of as a friend declares themselves disappointed or angry with me for my GC views, I clearly misjudged them and it's just as well that I've found out, though I won't burn bridges. As it happens, I haven't lost any actual friends and I've found a few new ones and strengthened a few bonds. I've remained on good terms with a relative who transitioned FtM socially in middle age.

My DH did lose a longstanding friend who has socially transitioned one of her children and gone full Mermaids/Stonewall/TWAW. I suspect she is a classical "groomed parent". She suddenly cut all contact with everyone in her old support network who agreed with the view that all transwomen are, by definition, male. I thought DH might be hurt because he'd invested so much time and energy in supporting her through various traumas, but he assured me that he only felt relief.

Interesting - the deletions
Cant really ever remember being deleted before under any user names, though i suppose it wasnt entirely relevant to the OPs question.
Is there direct communication from MN explaining reasons for the deletion or any right of appeal - I havent had any notification? I guess satire is verboten🤔

FlytingMachar can’t believe you got deleted - it was excellent. Wish I’d screen grabbed it!

About poshness.

There was a Stonewall survey a while back on which those who identified as trans were twice as likely to have a degree and four times as likely to have a PhD as the general population.

Is being educated posh? Well, in this country anyway, a bit. It certainly argues some resources. Though some would argue it's much harder for trans people to get or keep jobs due to discrimination, so some stay in academia.

Every trans and nonbinary person I know either attended Oxbridge or is the child of someone who did. Though that could well say more about me than trans people in general. I'd be interested to find out more socio-economic stats though.

I don't have masses of friends but I told them my views (I felt they should know who they're hanging out with). If we ever broach the subject again, it'll probably be one of them who raises it. I got the feeling they were kind of ignorant about the subject, although at least one knew a few tw. My sister is firmly GC. My youngest probably thinks I'm a bigot. I don't want to upset her so I don't raise the subject. The couple of times it has been raised, she brought it up reading MN over my shoulder.

As an aside if anyone on this thread hasn't already could you please follow the link below and sign the petition to try to strengthen the Equality Act and keep single sex spaces as single sex. It's a Government petition so it is totally confidential.

Please also share with your gc friends and family. We're running out of time to get to 100k.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=28

That is indeed interesting. The secondary our kids go to is overwhelmingly working class and trans/ non-binary doesn’t seem to be a thing at all.

This is also why there is an outbreak amongst middle class teenagers.

🤣

I have to ask out of genuine curiosity, what does being posh have to do with anything?

I've heard it's because posh people have fewer genuine worries in life, so have more freedom for luxury beliefs.

That's a good way to look at it. Two people have lost me as a friend - one is someone I've known for over 40 years and the other is his new wife. She is in her 50s and a true believer in twaw and he's gone along with it. Thinking about him now, he's always gone along to get along so I shouldn't be surprised, but it's still rather disappointing to realise he's always been weak.

Saying that, I've gained friends and very good ones.

The only true believer I knew in real life was too damaged to be a close friend anyway. I've been banned from Facebook groups and Reddit subs for being a bigot AKA a person who doesn't believe in gender identity.

I have to ask out of genuine curiosity, what does being posh have to do with anything?

That’s EPIC!
Great song 🎶

A group of TW calling themselves “ Pissed off Tra**ies” were hurling urine about, in a public space while having semis poking through women’s 👗 frocks.
It was aggressive and very unpleasant.

These are PEE- ple who want to gain entry to women only spaces.

I saw a large person who wasn’t XX come out of a cubicle in a women’s loo , tucking the peen away.

@WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway
I find TW who invade women’s spaces and groups upsetting, personally.
The “Right ons” falling over themselves to refer to the TW as “ She/ her” and sucking up.

I do believe that a certain type of TW likes to make people feel uneasy in women’s spaces.

A group was advertised as “Women only, so quite safe”
Just a nope from me.
Leggings, makeup and a frock do not a woman make.

The only people I know who believe have trans children themselves. I imagine they feel like they need to be supportive.
One is very active on FB (I’ve muted her), however I did look and 2 years down the line her daughter does not look like a boy at all. They have a very feminine haircut and even the clothes are, her mum is still very outspoken though.

I broached it with a friend who had a family member who became a woman in the 80s. She said the latest dealings with she’s had with them , all she can think is what an aggressive man they are.

None of my friends are as outspoken as I am about this stuff but they all agree that it's nonsense.My oldest friend was on the fence for a while until we visited a museum last year and saw a huge bloke in a skirt walking into the women's loo.

She did that goldfish thing where her mouth opened and closed half a dozen times but no sound emerged.I doubt she'll be kitting herself out in KJK merch anytime soon but she's definitely seen the light.