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Why are the filmmakers of Affirmation Generation anonymous

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socialmedia23 · 21/02/2023 22:46

DH was actually becoming very convinced by their arguments but then he asked me what was the source? This was triggered by the fact that there was footage of Helen Joyce on GB News. I actually found this documentary on Mumsnet so I didn't actually know. We stopped watching halfway and we did a deep dive into the people behind the documentary

DH has always been very insistent that he needs to establish the provenance of all the news sources/media that he consumes in order to ensure that they are not fake news sources. Since we can't find anything, he is now convinced that the entire documentary is garbage since we can't establish who is behind them and from what we can surmise, it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities? There is also little coverage of this documentary, which lessens its credibility in DH's eyes.

I feel like a lot of people may think like DH and this would mean that an excellent documentary doesn't reach its intended audience. I feel sad because i was really enjoying the documentary and i felt like i was learning so much but then it is overshadowed by the fact that I don't actually know who is behind it! Dh might sound very unreasonable in what kind of media he permits himself to watch but that is because he attended an ultra orthodox jewish school as a child (where he was told many untrue things) and had a father who was a bit of a conspiracy theorist so he has learnt this way of filtering information (only read news and consume media from reputable sources). I tried to explain to Dh that they are keeping their identities anonymous foe fear of losing their jobs. However at the same time, doesn't that mean the whole argument isn't as convincing and isn't the point of the documentary to educate?

To be fair to DH, he does say he will read Helena Barnes' book about the Tavistock Clinic (recommended by FT) and maybe he will then be ready to watch this documentary...

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socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 12:33

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 12:18

No. I’m not a Tory but I still know a man can’t turn in to a woman through magical thinking. I’d be more concerned about your husband’s thought process if his default starting point is that they can. God he really has gotten very far from his ultra orthodox Jewish upbringing hasn’t he.

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He has a younger sister who is Gen Z and is very very pro trans (due to too much time on the internet). He was raised in an orthodox Jewish family,; only the primary schooling was ultra orthodox (and only for the eldest two). His family actually have fairly liberal views on social issues, the focus in his household was more on ritual than on social issues. Hence why my MIL let my DH's girlfriends stay over but woe betide my DH if he switched on a kettle on Saturday in front of her (though she has largely given up on that).

His sister has convinced him that this is a group of marginalized people and he thought that even if women can't turn into men because of magical thinking, we should let people believe what they want to believe. And even give them the legal means to allow them to do so. As for the toilets issue, we should have unisex toilets (I disagree with him on this as I don't want to go to unisex public toilets).

But if children are being harmed in the process, that's a different story..

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HappyPinkDeer · 22/02/2023 12:28

@bellinisurge Thank you for the link, have just watched it.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 12:26

God he really has gotten very far from his ultra orthodox Jewish upbringing hasn’t he.

🤣

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 12:20

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 08:18

Being new to the trans issue, I am trying to establish if it's one of those us Vs them kind of issues. I tend to regard these issues with a bit of hesitance as often the truth is much more nuanced..

Phrases like 'lunatic sect' honestly don't convince me.

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There is no ‘us vs. Them’, just the fact that human beings can’t change sex. Anyone peddling this lie to children is a deeply dangerous individual. There isn’t a lot of nuance to that.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 12:18

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 08:12

Plus the Tory Party/republicans do have a reputation of starting culture wars in a bid to hide their own incompetence. I am an immigrant and they did it a few years ago about immigration. After Brexit, it may be that they are starting it about trans people. That could still be the case even if the documentary is 100% true..

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No. I’m not a Tory but I still know a man can’t turn in to a woman through magical thinking. I’d be more concerned about your husband’s thought process if his default starting point is that they can. God he really has gotten very far from his ultra orthodox Jewish upbringing hasn’t he.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 12:14

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 08:10

Surely calling people who are asking questions about the issues (and don't have a lot of knowledge about it) isn't the best way of convincing people...

Believe it or not, a lot of people may not have any meaningful contact with trans people, let alone detransitioners. Or children diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

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I don’t need to convince any one of any thing. Res ipsa loquitur. You are a very odd poster I have to say.

mirax · 22/02/2023 12:06

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 08:27

Well what I am trying to say is that I am wondering why such a documentary hasn't been picked up by a news organisation who would keep the identities of these women s

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You and your husband haven't been paying attention to what has happened to 'reputable' media and seem totally sucked up into respectability politics under the guise of intellectual rigor. If you truly care about provenance, I challenge you to take any one article about gender-affirming medical care from a media of you have the utmost confidence in and follow that rabbit hole. Read the base scientific literature, the history , the explosive stats of 'trans children', the actors involved and then may start connecting dots. Explore the new biology of sex, read some textbooks rather pop sci magazines. Ask yourself why Helen Joyce is on GB and not the BBC. Your legacy media has been gatekeeping some very basic information from you. Your husband may have recognised religious zealotry from his youth but what being sceptical about any ideology that starts with NO Debate?

Ofcourseshecan · 22/02/2023 12:03

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 10:14

BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

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You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin

Yes, I would rather be non-fatally assaulted or hounded out of my job than be murdered. But I very much hope to avoid all these fates.

DerekFaker · 22/02/2023 11:14

Well this OP isnt at all sus...

Redshoeblueshoe · 22/02/2023 11:08

Cake anyone ?

NotBadConsidering · 22/02/2023 10:56

Like I said, I question the motives of people who are desperate to stop others watching this documentary…

Datun · 22/02/2023 10:53

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 10:14

BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

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Op, are you reading the links? It's really a piece of piss to show you that young girls are getting double mastectomies.

Or you could Google US doctor who enjoys the strapline 'yeat the teat' as marketing for her mastectomy surgeries on youngsters.

if you're not going to read the links, any subsequent posts saying you don't get the problem are going to sound a little hollow, right?

bellinisurge · 22/02/2023 10:36

https://twitter.com/2022affirmation/status/1628292647424253952?s=46&t=DPE7jAeahh_5jJi2oB3dAA. They have posted a back up drop box file

HappyPinkDeer · 22/02/2023 10:35

It seems to have been taken down. Is there anywhere it can be watched?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 10:18

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 10:14

BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

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Here’s an upload of the BBC Canada documentary:

www.dailymotion.com/video/x58s24i

Just because you’ve had your eyes shut for the last 5 years, doesn’t mean this stuff doesn’t exist!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 10:16

Whatever you’re getting paid, it’s too much

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 10:16

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 10:14

BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

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Oh no!

you’ve gone blind

so sad

presumably that’s why you’re unable to see the BBC links on this thread?

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socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 10:14

FOJN · 22/02/2023 10:05

Well quite.

OP "Why isn't this issue more mainstream?"

MN (several times) "People receive violent threats for talking about it."

OP "It's appalling but I just don't understand why this isn't more mainstream."

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BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 10:13

Lots of Jewish journalists have been trying to make it mainstream, btw. Jesse Singal, Bari Weiss and Hadley Freeman for starters.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 10:09

BBC Canada made a doc on this in 2017:

www.bbcselect.com/ca/watch/transgender-kids-who-knows-best/

it was shown once and quietly shelved because Transactivists didn’t like it:

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/11/bbc-film-on-child-transgender-issues-worries-activists

FOJN · 22/02/2023 10:05

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 10:00

If this is someone paid to influence opinion on social media they’re doing a shit job

Well quite.

OP "Why isn't this issue more mainstream?"

MN (several times) "People receive violent threats for talking about it."

OP "It's appalling but I just don't understand why this isn't more mainstream."

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 10:00

If this is someone paid to influence opinion on social media they’re doing a shit job

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 10:00

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 09:47

All these things sound horrifying. But I am just wondering why these views are not more mainstream or why news outlets don't want to expose it given that 99% of the people I know will not want mastectomies for even 21 year olds, let alone teenagers. My rabbi was even reluctant to convert a 18 year old and thought he should perhaps wait until after university since it is a ' life changing decision '. Well changing religion carries zero medical risk and it is reversible..

But yet I know a parent in my synagogue who briefly mentioned his son is transitioning and based on this documentary, would probably get bits cut off him sooner or later.

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Don’t really understand what you’re getting at?

messing about with kids bodies is bad but the right people aren’t talking about it so it’s not happening?

here’s BBC coverage of how a private GP service in wales sterilised an 11 year old girl by prescribing her testosterone

does that help?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-61999764.amp

Datun · 22/02/2023 09:53

socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 09:47

All these things sound horrifying. But I am just wondering why these views are not more mainstream or why news outlets don't want to expose it given that 99% of the people I know will not want mastectomies for even 21 year olds, let alone teenagers. My rabbi was even reluctant to convert a 18 year old and thought he should perhaps wait until after university since it is a ' life changing decision '. Well changing religion carries zero medical risk and it is reversible..

But yet I know a parent in my synagogue who briefly mentioned his son is transitioning and based on this documentary, would probably get bits cut off him sooner or later.

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Op, you are posting on a board called sex and gender. Every single piece of information you need, including all the newspaper reporting (the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times), is on this board.

Just take five seconds and have a look.

As somebody has suggested, just Google the reviews of Hannah Barnes new book. And you will see all the major news outlets confirming what you seem sceptical of.

Like this one.

www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/19/time-to-think-by-hannah-barnes-review-what-went-wrong-at-gids?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1676792952

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socialmedia23 · 22/02/2023 09:47

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/02/2023 09:40

Oh you’re back OP

now about mastectomies for teenagers

pro or anti?

All these things sound horrifying. But I am just wondering why these views are not more mainstream or why news outlets don't want to expose it given that 99% of the people I know will not want mastectomies for even 21 year olds, let alone teenagers. My rabbi was even reluctant to convert a 18 year old and thought he should perhaps wait until after university since it is a ' life changing decision '. Well changing religion carries zero medical risk and it is reversible..

But yet I know a parent in my synagogue who briefly mentioned his son is transitioning and based on this documentary, would probably get bits cut off him sooner or later.

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