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Mumsnet vibrator: for "mothers, women and people with wombs"

142 replies

NewBootsAndRanty · 01/02/2023 17:16

Amongst otherthings that stand out from the article:

"We knew from previous activations with our community that sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo. The lack of conversation and resources on the topic is leaving women and people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings. At Smile Makers, we have been tackling taboos around female sexuality for over 10 years and that was obviously an important one to remove"

www.mumsnet.com/articles/the-whisperer

Where to start with the language mangling? Confused

OP posts:
Twawmyarse2 · 01/02/2023 20:30

These ads have been making me feel slightly nauseous all day - do MN usually advertise vibrators? I’ve never noticed it before?

Agree “smile makers”, “the whisperer” etc are just vomit-inducing and creepy. Bet £100 a man came up with that.

orangegato · 01/02/2023 20:28

Fuck me stop at ‘women’. If you identify as one or were one, count yourself in that if you like but fuck the word salad around women please.

figmaofmyimagination · 01/02/2023 20:26

“The idea of anything entering down there after giving birth is enough to make you cringe.”

Honestly this sentence makes me fucking rage. No. NO. I’m a WOMAN. My body is built for all sorts of things including pregnancy, childbirth AND pleasure and I will not let you gaslight me into cringing about any of that.

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 20:24

And apart from anything else, the first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it looks like that slanty nozzle you use on the vacuum cleaner that makes a very loud sound and sucks very hard but seems to be for the skirting board?

@ResisterRex You really need to work on your sexual fantasies. This one is to realistic

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 20:22

ResisterRex · 01/02/2023 17:58

"The idea of anything entering down there after giving birth is enough to make you cringe."

Cringe?

"motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

No it isn't.

"sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

The two together make a taboo? These days?

"people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings"

Well the advert has certainly dehumanised these "people". "With wombs".

And apart from anything else, the first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it looks like that slanty nozzle you use on the vacuum cleaner that makes a very loud sound and sucks very hard but seems to be for the skirting board?

Who's that weird bloke jeffery who acts like a child snatcher. That's the garbage he comes out with when taking about periods

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 20:20

Bugger pressed post by accident. I don't own my body. I am my body

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 20:20

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 01/02/2023 17:43

An earlier version spoke of 'vulva owners' but they seem to have edited that out after feedback on the AIBU thread.

You see i never considered myself the owner of my body parts. If i was I would have opted for a longer warranty.

beastlyslumber · 01/02/2023 20:19

How is sex and motherhood taboo? How do they think you get to be a mother in the first place?

SpareHeirOverThere · 01/02/2023 20:18

DontAskIDontKnow · 01/02/2023 17:27

If it’s a vibrator, WTF has a womb got to do with it?

This was my first thought. If you're trying to use it on your womb, I fear you won't get the results you're after.

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 20:16

IcakethereforeIam · 01/02/2023 18:22

Don't remind me, Amazon have been sending me some very strange emails just for looking at them. If IW actually bought some, it might be the follow up marketing that aggravated the strangeness.

Well in the same search as the cervixes ?! Does it have a plural? they threw up knitting patterns. Since which time no cervix for me, but small boys jumpers patterns.

I think I've bought that much odd shit I've broken their algorithm!

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 20:15

What a load of utter shit
That can only have been written by a ma!
WTF do they think a vibrator's going to be doing in your womb?

Moopsi · 01/02/2023 20:12

Awful, awful branding. Like something the idiots on The Apprentice would have come up with.

Not only that, it's actually pretty offensive to say that sex in motherhood is a taboo, let alone that a sex toy is for people with wombs. Wombs have nothing to do with sexual function.

Massive fail.

nepeta · 01/02/2023 20:10

This is what happens when you try to be inclusive to two different definitional systems.

So "women and people with wombs" is probably now a way to give a nod to those who regard women as a biological reality and also to those who do not but have female bodies.

I base this on seeing similar women - and - some body part havers constructs in some feminist contexts (like trying to eat your cake and having it too), where it's an attempt to be inclusive in a rather extreme and illogical way.

But it still does not work, because those who view 'women' as an abstract identity include some people with prostates in that definition, and as others have noted a womb is not an erogenous zone so 'people with clitorises' would be more appropriate.

There is no logical way of combining two quite different definitional systems. That's why adding 'nonbinary' to 'male' and 'female' in forms does not work as a simple addition, but changes the meanings of 'male' and 'female' to mere identities, too.

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2023 20:10

This is shocking from @mnhq 😡

FrancescaContini · 01/02/2023 20:04

Insulting language

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/02/2023 20:03

i think just the thought of pushing a vibrator all the way into one's womb is giving me pelvic cramps. I'm getting that sick feeling you get when a speculum is being expanded

urgh

how I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread...

Pudmyboy · 01/02/2023 20:02

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 01/02/2023 17:33

It your vibrator's in your womb, you've gone very wrong somewhere.

😂

Happylittlechicken · 01/02/2023 20:02

Wolfiefan · 01/02/2023 18:38

I’m wondering if it is aimed at people who own a womb which they carry round in a bag like some kind of fashion statement. But what sort of tote would one need I wonder?

A good lamé one obviously.

fgsfgs · 01/02/2023 20:00

Insanity. I’ll be avoiding Smike makers - thanks for the heads up

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 19:57

Tinysoxxx · 01/02/2023 18:15

Girls

DRINK

ARSE

FECK

Zireael · 01/02/2023 19:55

"sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

It clearly isn't taboo, otherwise why would women go on to have more children? And if it was taboo, why would family/friends/strangers ask when mothers are going to have another child?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/02/2023 19:36

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 01/02/2023 17:33

It your vibrator's in your womb, you've gone very wrong somewhere.

yeah this

I'm pretty much crossing my legs right now

nopey nope nope

VikingLady · 01/02/2023 19:32

Will it work for me if I only have a womb in a preserving jar? Does it need to be attached? Because honestly this language sounds like it's for serial killers with an interesting Jack the Ripper-esque collection.

If we're talking attached body parts, do I need to own the womb? I see I no longer need to own a vulva, which is good, since I'm pretty certain I never purchased mine - it came free at the point of issue. I don't think I own it as such. It's just a part of me.

And my friends who are mums talk about sex A LOT. Should I tell them that's taboo? I don't think they know.

Forgotthebins · 01/02/2023 19:32

Smilemakers not making me smile.

FemaleAndLearning · 01/02/2023 19:20

ResisterRex · 01/02/2023 17:58

"The idea of anything entering down there after giving birth is enough to make you cringe."

Cringe?

"motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

No it isn't.

"sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

The two together make a taboo? These days?

"people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings"

Well the advert has certainly dehumanised these "people". "With wombs".

And apart from anything else, the first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it looks like that slanty nozzle you use on the vacuum cleaner that makes a very loud sound and sucks very hard but seems to be for the skirting board?

We used to call the crevice attachment 'the groper' god knows why. Only later in life did I realise this was not it's name.