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Mumsnet vibrator: for "mothers, women and people with wombs"

142 replies

NewBootsAndRanty · 01/02/2023 17:16

Amongst otherthings that stand out from the article:

"We knew from previous activations with our community that sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo. The lack of conversation and resources on the topic is leaving women and people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings. At Smile Makers, we have been tackling taboos around female sexuality for over 10 years and that was obviously an important one to remove"

www.mumsnet.com/articles/the-whisperer

Where to start with the language mangling? Confused

OP posts:
DarkShade · 01/02/2023 21:54

Yes, they are breaking down tabboos but are too chicken to name the actual part of the body that you use a vibrator on - surely if you absolutely have to reduce us to our body parts, in this context we're 'people with clits'.

@JarByTheDoor yes the horrible creepy feathery thing! I also hate the name. All their other ones are called stereotypically sexy things like the fireman, the surfer, the french lover. But mums get the whisperer, because even though they are apparently committed to breaking down tabboos, once you have a child you need to whisper about getting off.

Circumferences · 01/02/2023 21:51

What if I identify as a person who menstruates, rather than being reduced to my body parts? Why am I excluded?
What if I identify as a person who ovulates or a person with ovaries rather than a person with a womb?
This language is so exclusionary.

LemonSwan · 01/02/2023 21:46

‘People with wombs feeling sidelined’.

The lack of reflection here is hilarious 🤣

May as well just say the non peni’ed and be done with it.

VikingLady · 01/02/2023 21:46

Thatshipsailed · 01/02/2023 21:13

A giggle isn’t a smile. I’m imagining a silent creepy cum smile

Thank you for the suggestion. I now have plans to creep FH out completely Grin

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2023 21:42

Yep this is very everyone.

instead of being creepy fuckers.

EzzieM · 01/02/2023 21:38

pattihews · 01/02/2023 17:48

Does anyone else wince at the idea of a brand called Smile Makers? So twee.

Yes sounds like a dentist who specialises in cosmetic work 🤣

”People with wombs” so they’re worried about offending transmen, but not concerned about upsetting all the women who’ve had a hysterectomy? What next? “People destined for menopause”?!

They’re really over complicating this. Anyone can use a vibrator, woman or man. What not just be like Tim Berners Lee and say “This is for everyone”?

They really, really didn’t do much market research if they think Mumsnetters are ok with being referred to by our body parts.

Oblomov22 · 01/02/2023 21:30

Father Jack Grin

DrBlackbird · 01/02/2023 21:28

😂

JarByTheDoor · 01/02/2023 21:27

Thatshipsailed · 01/02/2023 21:13

A giggle isn’t a smile. I’m imagining a silent creepy cum smile

Oh yeah that would be a bit uncanny.

Tinysoxxx · 01/02/2023 21:18

Which sounds very inappropriate given the posts before this one!

Tinysoxxx · 01/02/2023 21:17

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 20:55

Just couldn't resist the opportunity to make a Father Jack joke, Tiny.

Phew I forgot that one. You’ve just sent me clicking back to some very funny clips!

Thatshipsailed · 01/02/2023 21:13

A giggle isn’t a smile. I’m imagining a silent creepy cum smile

JarByTheDoor · 01/02/2023 21:09

No-one ‘smiles’ as they cum.

Speak for yourself, I often giggle uncontrollably. Took DP a moment or two to get used to at first, mind…

RogersOrganismicProcess · 01/02/2023 21:07

Did MNHQ come up with that? I would have thought they knew their audience better than to call us people with wombs. Three of my very closest friends no longer have uteruses. Are they no longer able to think of themselves as sexual beings? Are their desires, vaginas and clitorises obsolete?

Talk about taboo!

abcdeg · 01/02/2023 21:07

postcardpuffin · 01/02/2023 20:48

Ffs has gender ideology rotted the brains of the people marketing this? As pp have pointed out, the womb hasn’t got anything to do with a vibrator 🙄 Any of “people with a vulva/clitoris/vagina” would be better than “womb”.

And how tf are sex and motherhood joint taboos? If you want a constituency of women who have definitely at some point had some sex, that’s going to be mothers by definition 🤦‍♀️ Even in long centuries past it was assumed that women who had had children knew damn well what sex was, even if unmarried women were presumed not to 😂 These days after decades of everything from the Chippendales to Sex and the City why on earth would mothers think sex was taboo?!?

That must have been written by a man, someone “assigned male at birth”, or a very very inexperienced young woman/“afab” enby 😄

Way back in those frigid and ancient days BG (Before Gender) —the Olden Times that most mothers hail from — it used to be customary to do what was called “market research”, where instead of getting the non-binary interns aged 21 to write your product descriptions, you actually went out and asked some actual potential customers about the product and what they thought about your marketing before you unleashed it on the target audience and risked making a fool of yourself and your business. (I know, right?!? What a bizarre idea!)

Last paragraph 😂😂

Thatshipsailed · 01/02/2023 21:06

I saw this today and sent it to my best friend with a WTF.

Why link motherhood with vibrators? There’s no taboo. The vast majority of women have children. The vast majority still like to get off. There’s no taboo. We don’t need to hide away with ‘the whisperer’. No-one ‘smiles’ as they cum. The whole thing makes me want to vom.

I can’t even get into the womb thing.

LizzieSiddal · 01/02/2023 21:00

What the heck have I just read.Angry

Jibo · 01/02/2023 20:58

"women and people with wombs" ??? what the hell were MNHQ thinking partnering with this shower?

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 20:55

Just couldn't resist the opportunity to make a Father Jack joke, Tiny.

postcardpuffin · 01/02/2023 20:52

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 20:36

Having a vibrator in your womb would be both agony and extremely dangerous.
Can you imagine sex toy marketing for men ever getting male anatomy this wrong?

Yes indeed - you’d probably die of cervical shock. Not exactly a product recommendation 😂

How TF can a business selling a sex toy get it so wrong about the female body? It’s the equivalent of suggesting that a man shove a buttplug up his urethra. Or wear a fleshlight on his arse.

Tinysoxxx · 01/02/2023 20:51

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2023 19:57

DRINK

ARSE

FECK

@ArabellaScott not sure what you mean but I sense, like me, it’s because you reckon the language used has unfortunate consequences - as I explained in the post after.

postcardpuffin · 01/02/2023 20:48

Ffs has gender ideology rotted the brains of the people marketing this? As pp have pointed out, the womb hasn’t got anything to do with a vibrator 🙄 Any of “people with a vulva/clitoris/vagina” would be better than “womb”.

And how tf are sex and motherhood joint taboos? If you want a constituency of women who have definitely at some point had some sex, that’s going to be mothers by definition 🤦‍♀️ Even in long centuries past it was assumed that women who had had children knew damn well what sex was, even if unmarried women were presumed not to 😂 These days after decades of everything from the Chippendales to Sex and the City why on earth would mothers think sex was taboo?!?

That must have been written by a man, someone “assigned male at birth”, or a very very inexperienced young woman/“afab” enby 😄

Way back in those frigid and ancient days BG (Before Gender) —the Olden Times that most mothers hail from — it used to be customary to do what was called “market research”, where instead of getting the non-binary interns aged 21 to write your product descriptions, you actually went out and asked some actual potential customers about the product and what they thought about your marketing before you unleashed it on the target audience and risked making a fool of yourself and your business. (I know, right?!? What a bizarre idea!)

ResisterRex · 01/02/2023 20:38

I know the weird bloke you mean @Boiledbeetle and I'm not linking to him. I'll have enough nightmares about this womb hoover as it is, thanks!

NCSQ · 01/02/2023 20:36

Imagine the marketing meetings that must have taken place...

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 20:36

Having a vibrator in your womb would be both agony and extremely dangerous.
Can you imagine sex toy marketing for men ever getting male anatomy this wrong?