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Evan Davis

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senua · 26/01/2023 17:58

Evan Davis has just finished the PM programme. We had articles on the effect of Instagram on the restaurant trade, on Chat gpt and on wearing shorts in the winter.
Guess how long the article on Isla Bryson / Adam Graham ran for ...

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HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 03/02/2023 14:53

OMG, that Stacy bloke wanting a a competition of who gets called worse stuff! Bloody ridiculous.

On the plus side, one sure-fire way to peak casual listeners is to put transwomen on the radio and call them she/her. Those vocal chords haven't changed 'gender'.

Zeugma · 03/02/2023 11:58

Sorry, just interpolating to say to @ILikeDungs that my blood pressure also boiled over when I heard that interview…just wondering if you read the extremely good annihilation review of the book by Sarah Ditum? It was in the Times and findable on archive sites I expect.

There were also some cracking Twitter threads on the subject from the excellent lawyer Barbara Rich, which you can still turn up with a search. The truth of the matter became apparent very quickly once you got the facts straight.

BigFrau · 03/02/2023 11:15

inkjet · 03/02/2023 00:21

I remember him being just incredulous that someone might not consider a transwoman a woman and might call them he. I mean truly he couldn’t believe it and thought it was awful. It was a real wtf moment.

I think it doesn’t help that he always sounds so incredibly pleased with himself.

Was that in the interview he did with Harry Miller back in 2020? That was a real wake-up call for me about Davis's blatant bias and lack of impartiality.

For those who don't recall the case, Miller (a former policeman) posted a series of tweets about reforms to the GRA and his belief that TW are not W. He was investigated for "hate incidents" and "transphobia" by Humberside police (who at one point turned up at his workplace).

The court found in Miller's favour, with the judge stressing "the vital importance of free speech". However, in Davis's interview with HM on 14/02/2020 he spoke to HM as if he was the guilty party, calling him anti-trans and obsessed several times. It was a truly dreadful interview by Davis.

Comments on this board from that time are interesting to read, particularly those from nauticant on 17/02/2020 at 11:29.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3822991-Harry-will-be-on-R4-PM-shortly?page=2

Davis has been sooo shite for so long. PM used to be a reasonably good news and comment programme. Sadly it now just utterly stinks of BBC bias.

TrevorOptions · 03/02/2023 10:40

Sound it on sounds. Jesus obv Evan totes agrees with Stacey. Doesn’t even challenge the rubbish spouted. Will complain.

senua · 03/02/2023 10:10

I've had a reply to my original complaint about the lack of impartiality and failing to represent the diversity of their audience. They basically said:
-They have to make 'complex decisions' and they know that 'not everyone will agree with each decision'.
-It's OK because the story was 'featured prominently' elsewhere on the BBC. (Imagine the mental gymnastics involved in "we admit that we were the odd ones out but we still think that we are right".)

Translation seems to be:
-you are wrong, the BBC is right (listeners to Feedback will not be surprised at this common response)
-The PM programme is Evan's pick & mix. If you want full analysis of the news, Radio 4's early-evening current affairs programme is not the place to be.

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CatOutOfTheGoldLameBag · 03/02/2023 00:57

LongWhiteCar · 03/02/2023 00:31

I’ve requested a response to my complaint so I can hardly wait for those pearls of wisdom.
I used to enjoy having the radio on throughout the day and now I feel like I’m either shouting at the radio in anger, disbelief and frustration or writing emails of complaint.

Trust me, from my experience your response will be both unilluminating and infuriating. They will answer a question you did not ask, or reflect on a statement you did not make. But to be sure, the BBC will conclude with "this pre-recorded interview was conducted in a fair and duly impartial manner". The fuckers.

LongWhiteCar · 03/02/2023 00:31

I’ve requested a response to my complaint so I can hardly wait for those pearls of wisdom.
I used to enjoy having the radio on throughout the day and now I feel like I’m either shouting at the radio in anger, disbelief and frustration or writing emails of complaint.

inkjet · 03/02/2023 00:21

I remember him being just incredulous that someone might not consider a transwoman a woman and might call them he. I mean truly he couldn’t believe it and thought it was awful. It was a real wtf moment.

I think it doesn’t help that he always sounds so incredibly pleased with himself.

LongWhiteCar · 03/02/2023 00:14

Have just seen this thread.
I sent a complaint about Evan Davis to the BBC earlier this evening.
The segment was absolutely staggering in its bias.
Totally unchallenged by Evan Davis.
I hope JK Rowling is taking legal advice on it.

Nicky Campbell had an all male panel on his show yesterday with a bloke from the SNP spouting total tripe about the trans issue.
Sick to death of all of it.

Datun · 03/02/2023 00:13

CatOutOfTheGoldLameBag · 03/02/2023 00:05

I don't understand what he thinks he is excusing here: "tried hard not to debate JKR" Of course you didn't debate it, you took it as fact that she was transphobic you utter twat, and are now trying to cover your butt you lying asshat

Exactly. He wasn't trying hard not to debate her. He did nothing of the sort. No one mentioned even the smallest word that she's ever said or written. He just let those wankers baselessly call her transphobic.

There's no way on earth he would actually debate her. People might find out what she actually said.

Awful misogynist.

CatOutOfTheGoldLameBag · 03/02/2023 00:06

Sorry this crap really pisses me off

CatOutOfTheGoldLameBag · 03/02/2023 00:05

I don't understand what he thinks he is excusing here: "tried hard not to debate JKR" Of course you didn't debate it, you took it as fact that she was transphobic you utter twat, and are now trying to cover your butt you lying asshat

Evan Davis
HappyAlley · 02/02/2023 22:12

nauticant · 02/02/2023 21:50

It was so bad that Evan Davis felt he had to get his excuses in quick before the complaints start getting picked up and reviewed:

twitter.com/EvanHD/status/1621229264455536641

Some good replies on there! my god, it was a pre-recorded interview too so his excuse is pitiful. Definitely arse-covering as the complaints roll in.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 02/02/2023 21:56

He knew what he was doing. He needs to be sacked. He isn’t impartial. He is a complete misogynist. He is literally abusing women in a daily basis.

nauticant · 02/02/2023 21:50

faffadoodledo · 02/02/2023 20:27

I heard the item trailed and thought 'oh-oh..' but had to go out so missed it. Was it as awful as o suspect it was?

It was so bad that Evan Davis felt he had to get his excuses in quick before the complaints start getting picked up and reviewed:

twitter.com/EvanHD/status/1621229264455536641

HappyAlley · 02/02/2023 21:29

faffadoodledo · 02/02/2023 20:27

I heard the item trailed and thought 'oh-oh..' but had to go out so missed it. Was it as awful as o suspect it was?

Worse than you could ever imagine. Bloke from a gaming magazine was one of the interviewees ... I'll leave it there as thinking about it, & him in particular, makes me feel ill

HappyAlley · 02/02/2023 21:27

Absolutely fucking OUTRAGEOUS. I heard it in the wild & could not believe my ears. I am so sick & tired of this myth being peddled as fact. Formally complaining is a really good idea @borntobequiet I'm gonna do it now & I hope loads of others do too.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 02/02/2023 21:10

faffadoodledo · 02/02/2023 20:27

I heard the item trailed and thought 'oh-oh..' but had to go out so missed it. Was it as awful as o suspect it was?

Yes. Yes it was.

faffadoodledo · 02/02/2023 20:27

I heard the item trailed and thought 'oh-oh..' but had to go out so missed it. Was it as awful as o suspect it was?

ScrollingLeaves · 02/02/2023 20:13

Start with the well-known factHmm that JKR is transphobic
Only among those who can’t, or won’t read.

The BBC should be made to read out what she has said and explain why it is transphobic.

I hope lots of people will complain.

JoodyBlue · 02/02/2023 20:08

Programme is not working on BBC Sounds app now - it was just now and then became unavailable. Wonder if that is significant.

Datun · 02/02/2023 19:49

I genuinely think she could sue. The accusations of her being transphobic went without comment.

What do the BBC bloody think?

The biggest pre-orders in history!

No one agrees with you, Evan

ExiledElsie · 02/02/2023 19:44

GCMM · 02/02/2023 19:33

It was actually shocking and I'm used to Evan Davis' bias by now.

Really properly shocking. What were they thinking?

Datun · 02/02/2023 19:37

one of the biggest pre-orders in history,

Up yours Davis.

GCMM · 02/02/2023 19:33

It was actually shocking and I'm used to Evan Davis' bias by now.