Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

I listened to the recording of him about the bt Bill. He did good girl voice. He definitely puts paid to the wouldn't s pend three months pretending thing. He put more effort in than most.

@Boiledbeetle I expect he’ll have a lawsuit brewing in 3, 2, 1 as he may not have immediate access to nail varnish.

I'm just imagining him turning up at the men's prison with fake nails, and a pink suitcase full of women's clothes and underwear!

He's going to be so popular. Or get the crap beat out of him for Fucking it up for everyone else. Probably both.

@MmePoppySeedDefage How lucky it was that we had the combination of the SNP/Green GRR Bill, the Section 35 challenge, and 'Isla Bryson' in such a short period of time that not many media outlets have been able to ignore them. (Has the Guardian?)

Yes plus the media outlets were provided with the perfect illustration of the lunacy of allowing self ID, with that incredible photo of the transwomen rapist turning up at court with his penis clearly on show for all to see. We could not have wished for a better photo.

😂

Perhaps they just mis-spelled Roblox?

And having seen it it isn't exactly women centred or robust!

I'm sick of hearing them say 'risk assessment', like it's some kind of magic incantation. When they clearly don't know/care what the fuck they're talking about.

Someone posted on another thread but it's right.

How lucky it was that we had the combination of the SNP/Green GRR Bill, the Section 35 challenge, and 'Isla Bryson' in such a short period of time that not many media outlets have been able to ignore them. (Has the Guardian?)

This combination of very unfortunate events has drawn attention to the other violent trans identifying men that have been locked up for some while with vulnerable women in the Scottish Prisons Service.

So today we've seen some cracking interviews with a guilty-looking Nicole Sturgeon and some LIBDem woman, defending the indefensible and trying variously to claim that there are robust risk assessments, or that the risk assessment process is deeply flawed and Nicola is right to seek to change it.

I feel for the poor women locked up with these low-lifes, but some good will hopefully come of their suffering.

The officer who took the photo of the dead man had a disciplinary meeting for misconduct in August 2022 and was ordered to take the reflective practice review process to learn and reflect on their actions.

Reflect. Ah, that's all right, then. 🙄

And women, apparently:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/27/met-police-officer-sacked-for-requesting-photo-of-dead-man

PC Bonnie Murphy, who asked colleague Jamie Lewis to send her a photo of a decomposed body to show her family, was dismissed without notice.

Not worth a thread of its own, but wtf is wrong with (some) men:

www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/23290003.investigation-firefighters-photographing-dead-women/

The results from the Call for Evidence consultation for the VAWG funding review -

www.gov.scot/publications/analysis-call-evidence-responses-violence-against-women-girls-funding-review/

Unsurprisingly, there were many responses which emphasised the need for single sex spaces and services.

I only started following JKR this week but that was because I thought I'd been following her for a while and also because I hadn't followed her before because I'm not a Harry Potter person. I follow a large number of TERFs and I'm sure I've lost followers because of it. But, you know, behold the field in which I grow my fucks, it is a barren place where your ideology will find no purchase, culty members.

I used JKR as an example because I’d read her tweets and articles and think her entirely reasonable, no hatred or prejudice that I could see, then watch hundreds and thousands of people racing to abuse and criticise her. I assumed I must be missing something, hence my bafflement and disengagement with the topic, which as a reclusive rural shut-in seemed to have no bearing on my life anyway.

Wait till the anger kicks in. The contempt, mockery and abuse with which women have been treated, the intimidation, the DARVO, institutional capture etc is an object lesson in misogyny from people who I'd previously thought of as friends and allies. Eye opening is the word. And I think more and more women are experiencing it. I am full of admiration for the tireless bravery for those women who have led this movement in the face of such hostility.

Brave testimony from one of the women forced to swim against, and change with, Lia Thomas.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4732497-riley-gaines-testifies-about-competing-against-lia-thomas

This is a Parliamentary petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological sex

It would be a help to get back to the basic meaning of ‘sex ‘ - that there are biologically male and biologically females humans, either of whom may be more or less masculine, or more or less feminine, in dress, tastes or personality - without being transported into a mystical gendered state that means a man has become a woman and can enter all women’s spaces.

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I’ve been ignorant, avoided the subject because no matter how careful and tactful and neutral I tried to be - and words are a thing I’m usually good with - someone would get enraged. It was like Israel/Palestine, “debate” best avoided. Although I blocked someone on Twitter who “unfollowed” me for the crime of following JKR - not liking, retweeting or commenting on her tweets, just following her - I did then unfollow JKR just to avoid unnecessary inflammation. FFS.

But this week I feel as though my eyes have been opened.

This is wonderful.

Brilliant.

That Vanessa McCulloch piece Kuc linked to is splendid. Not a word wasted.

Men wanting to keep us in our place isn't new, sadly, nor is women doing the policing. Yesterday I listened to a blocked and reported podcast from last summer (the Heterodox Academy one) and was very sruck by something their guest Erec Smith said - his inerests are mainly around race issues, but what he was saying was relevant to online cultural bully tactics generally. His take, which I found convincing, is that people who go in for identity stuff are people without individuality. So lacking in a sense of self that they have to join a goup, and then go all 'my country right or wrong'. That made so much sense - and explained by children and young teenagers, not yet formed as individuals and suddenly being hijacked by their bodies, are so vulnerable.

Makes me wonder what weaknesses makes all those nice 'kind' people so desperate to insist rapists and voyeurs are women and that no-one must question it. The many tiny traps of the British class system maybe, no-one daring to step out of line. Or the determination, in Ireland, to prove they aren't religious, now that that's the mark of the enemy.

I think you're spot on MmeDlikescrows. It is a way of keeping women in our place, and throwing us off-balance.

I was thinking earlier this evening that the push of the whole TRA thing has become stronger as women have started to have more and more autonomy and spaces, safe or otherwise that are theirs alone. I remember, gosh at least a decade ago, men arguing that women having women-only swimming sessions was sexist and discriminatory. Women's only conferences, women's networking - I acknowledge that a lot of this stuff is quite middle class but essential nonetheless - and lesbians having their own spaces too (that must boil Owen Jones's piss) and now there is cock in all of these places. Problem solved.

I'm not suggesting that there is an exact correlation but the more women get - despite the fact that we are still so far behind on what we should have - the more men, not all men, natch, fight against it. I'm not suggesting that everyone who is coming out as trans is doing it for these reasons, probably very few but goodness isn't it interesting that they want into all our spaces and they've found a way to do it? I will always have great empathy for those with genuine dysphoria and for young lesbians, gay men, and children of both sexes with many issues that get put into the (you must be transgender!) box, but enough of the cosplay, the gaslighting, the utter fucking idiots who are buying into this bullshit.

In totally unrelated news I'm watching Phantom Thread - which isn't a Star Wars film despite the title - and good grief, Daniel Day Lewis's character is the sort of arsehole that I often imagine he is in real life.