Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

I'd go further and say that they have totally let down the L by being part of the groups that tell young women that the feelings they have must mean that they're a man when we know that a large number, the majority of young FTM would go on to be simply lesbians if medicalisation of their very real mental health issues were dealt with correctly.

Purely anecdotally, the FTM I know well enough say that they are actually gay men, as they are attracted to men but ARE men (their view, not mine). The last local pride event my son went to with a friend of his (FTM) and a bunch of the friend’s mates from college - also mostly FTM. Son is gay, and complained too me afterwards how annoying he found it that they were all behaving as if they had the smallest clue what it’s like growing up as an out gay boy (he came out early in year 8).

Needless to say he only talks about his gender critical views to me, wouldn’t dare to any friends.

I read somewhere, may even have been here but possibly an article in a publication that I can no longer remember and when I was reading I had a lightbulb moment of "Of course! Yes, you're right!" it was about Stonewall and how full of T they've become in the last decade.

The position was that Stonewall was on the verge of redundancy because we have come so bloody far with gay rights - thankfully - so what was there for them to fight for any longer. Personally, I'd love to be part of an organisation that lobbied and lobbied and fought hard and got nearly everything that we needed making me redundant. It would mean I'd succeeded and that people's lives were better because of that.

Show me a charity that says, it's all done now. Nothing further to do. Thanks for all the funds and the support and we're off... never EVER happens!

Clearly, Stonewall decided that they needed another project and along came trans rights and they lapped that shit up. They should really have the courage to acknowledge that they no longer stand for the LGB and that it's all about the T. I'd go further and say that they have totally let down the L by being part of the groups that tell young women that the feelings they have must mean that they're a man when we know that a large number, the majority of young FTM would go on to be simply lesbians if medicalisation of their very real mental health issues were dealt with correctly.

It's a business, not a charity. I read somewhere that what starts as a charity, becomes a business, ends up as a racket. I've worked for several charities and they always always say Things Are Getting Much Worse. GIVE US YOUR FOOKING MONEY!!! They run surveys to prove How Much Worse Things Are Getting and get good press off it. No one wants a story saying how much better things are!

Charities are a £££ business. It's all about the money with many of them. Some smaller ones may remain committed to the cause but once they get past a certain size it becomes about income, jobs, status. They have CEOs - when did THAT happen!?

Dispicable. That's the word. When it's spelt right, anyway. 🙄

A more cynical suggestion on the Twitters last night was that they might try just calling all of these offenders men for a while to deflect attention from Sturgeon not knowing whether or not they're faking it.

Though I am not sure for how long either side would let that go unchallenged....

Back to the Epsom College murders. I can't shake off the comment made by a former (female) colleague of Emma Pattison who said "As a woman no matter how successful you are, you are only as safe as your male partner allows you to be". It made my blood run cold.

Indeed. The Radical Notion thread, and the Discussion of the Radical Notion Thread thread are both interesting and depressing.

I read somewhere, may even have been here but possibly an article in a publication that I can no longer remember and when I was reading I had a lightbulb moment of "Of course! Yes, you're right!" it was about Stonewall and how full of T they've become in the last decade. The position was that Stonewall was on the verge of redundancy because we have come so bloody far with gay rights - thankfully - so what was there for them to fight for any longer. Personally, I'd love to be part of an organisation that lobbied and lobbied and fought hard and got nearly everything that we needed making me redundant. It would mean I'd succeeded and that people's lives were better because of that. Clearly, Stonewall decided that they needed another project and along came trans rights and they lapped that shit up. They should really have the courage to acknowledge that they no longer stand for the LGB and that it's all about the T. I'd go further and say that they have totally let down the L by being part of the groups that tell young women that the feelings they have must mean that they're a man when we know that a large number, the majority of young FTM would go on to be simply lesbians if medicalisation of their very real mental health issues were dealt with correctly.

Pink News can fuck right off as well.

I'm terribly sweary in these wee small hours.

God, having to look to the Torygraph for the truth, after all the shit they've sold us, Boris Johnson and Brexit for a start. But it doesn't mean they are wrong here, and makes the cowardice of most of the 'liberal' press all the more discipable.

Looks like Police Scotland are starting to rebel by referring to him as a man, rather than a woman -

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/07/scottish-police-defy-nicola-sturgeon-trans-self-id-law/

I don't get this, the offence was reported in October 2019, but he's only just been charged. The Met., again!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/07/serving-met-police-officer-charged-with-and-actual-bodily-harm

Is it the new broom? If Cressida was still there would anything have been done?

BBC: A 53-year-old man has been arrested over the disappearance of an 11-year-old girl who was later found in the Scottish Borders.

WoS: There seems to be no doubt that the man arrested in connection with xxxxxx's disappearance has been openly "living as a woman" for at least six years now. This would require Police Scotland to interview him as a woman, under his female name.

There's something on WOS, that thing that never happens may have happened again in Galashiels. The child is safe at least.

Yeah, we all knew it was him. There's a curious pressure to pretend that it could be almost anything else, like a gas leak or a monster from Scooby Doo.

We all knew it would be the husband.

Why do they have to be so Fucking selfish. Kill yourself, fine, but leave the wife and children out of it, you self centred arsehole.

Ah, just read the Epsom headteacher’s husband killed the three of them. It was my first instinct anyway when the news broke, and I bet many of you as well.

I have Glosswitch's Hags on pre order as of one minute ago. Can't wait to read it.

This isn't really FWR, but just something I wanted to share. I was at home today waiting for a plumber and when he turned up, he had a young woman apprentice with him. She was tiny and very slight, but had a determined look to her. I saw her walk up the path behind the plumber and when she saw me, her face did something lovely, it lit up with a huge smile. I may be imagining it, but I got a strong impression she was glad there was a woman at the door.

Ooh should I have referred to the Welsh Government? I do apologise to our Welsh Mumsnetters if so.

Dennis Noel Kavanagh (crim barrister) made the point on Twitter that

1. the WA have even less chance than the SG of bringing this into law because they don't have the devolved powers to do this and the UK Gov has already said it will not devolve those powers and
2. if the WA carry on with their plans, it will link Labour explicitly to the irresponsible self-ID policy.

And like pps I just don't understand how they can look at the shitshow in Scotland and think, yay, come on, lads - that could be us!

as to why it’s happening, surely the root cause is the forced teaming of LGB with TQ+, ie conflation of sexuality with identity, and the highjacking of the fact that we are so very nearly there on achieving full LGB rights in the U.K. and majority public acceptance that LGB rights are a good and necessary thing.

Conflation of sexuality with identity: absolutely this. Added to muddying the waters re the definitions of sex and gender.

Seems that I missed that at least one thread has already started to discuss the Welsh:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4737389-welsh-government-barging-ahead-scottish-style-lgbtq-plan

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4737482-wales-am-i-living-in-a-parallel-universe?

as to why it’s happening, surely the root cause is the forced teaming of LGB with TQ+, ie conflation of sexuality with identity, and the highjacking of the fact that we are so very nearly there on achieving full LGB rights in the U.K. and majority public acceptance that LGB rights are a good and necessary thing.

LGB Alliance have been stymied from the start, so as much as it is painful, we need the Welsh to go ahead with their plans to keep the public debate going. I have no doubt that there will be future examples of egregious safeguarding failures too that make people stop and think.

God what is happening. Why are governments so obsessed with this when polling shows increasingly that voters aren’t that keen and there is an obvious clash with women’s rights? It’s as if they’re being held at gun point.