Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

Oh well. Same old bollocks and same old flounce. Never changes.

Mine get it. One is a competitive swimmer and knows really well no male person is or can ever become a girl or woman and in some areas, the reality of someone's sex is more important than how another person feels.

You know who the women are in this situation.

Always.

So you are cool with that leading to a much larger number of assaults and suicides?

Assualts and suicide of whom, by whom and why?

That's your answer? They identify as women?
And that is why out of all the other vulnerable male prisoners they get to go to women's prisons? And any man can 'identify' as a woman.
Do you not see a problem with your logic. I hope the lurkers are lurking. Gender ideology revealed again as a clusterfuck.

Oh no, you're going without linking any of the "evidence"?

At least your kids get it.

Yes thankfully my kids do get it. They know men are not women because they say so.

They believe in Sex rather than gender.

As do most of their teen friends.

Saying that trans women are not women and that non women (including men and trans women) should not be in women’s spaces is not “anti trans”.

Allowing trans women in women’s prisons leads to less assault than not doing so.

If this were true, presumably the mechanism is that the number of transwomen who would be assaulted by men in male prisons is greater than the number of women who would be assaulted by men entering women's prison, so it's a "net win".

Even if this were true, you could get EVEN FEWER assaults by having a third space. Take the transwomen out of the men's prisons - avoiding those assaults - AND continue to not put any men in women's prisons - so not increasing the number there.

Why are you advocating for a policy that permits more assaults?

Bye all, the sheer amount of hate against a tiny vulnerable minority I’ve seen here is terrible. You should all hang your heads in shame. At least your kids get it.

Oh go on then. A link perhaps?
To show us you aren't making it up.

Again, Lady Haldane was mistaken. The EA2010 guidance specifically says that even with a GRC any man can be excluded from female services if that meets the criteria given.

Those criteria include "any person feeling uncomfortable with the presence of a male/female"

This has not yet been tested in court. Which is why we are waiting for, and supporting, Sarah Summers

Lol - they identify as women and being recognised as such it becoming normal

I’m not here to do all the work for you, just point you in the right direction.

So why aren't all vulnerable male prisoners shuffled off to the female estate? What's so special about transwomen?

The entire anti trans stance I’ve encountered on this thread seems to be entirely driven by ideology and irrational fear flying in the face of any data, all amounting to a classic ‘moral panic’.

LOL.

You just think that males should get their own way.

You know who the women are in this situation.

That's still not an answer.

I am going to assume the thing you don't want to actually say, in so many words, is that you find raped women a more acceptable option than sad men.

It comes across quite clearly, regardless.

Nope - because you’ve got it the wrong way round. Allowing trans women in women’s prisons leads to less assault than not doing so.

Imaginary data that you won't post.

The number right now is minuscule. As we are learning more about this better risk assessment can be carried out and minuscule can be reduced to even more so.

The entire anti trans stance I’ve encountered on this thread seems to be entirely driven by ideology and irrational fear flying in the face of any data, all amounting to a classic ‘moral panic’.

And everyone else, including the UN and the High Court laughed. She was wrong.

Scotland is ploughing its own furrow here. Based on disinformation and downright lies.

If you think the women here haven't followed the whole debacle and can be astounded by your superior knowledge you are deluding yourself.

Em... that's pretty much what feminists here have been saying all along, isn't it?
Women's safety matters more than men's feelings.
I'm so glad you now agree!

So you are cool with that leading to a much larger number of assaults and suicides?

lovely :(

So to return to the question: what's an acceptable number of women raped and assaulted by males in prison, in order to validate the males' claimed identity?

Is there an upper number, for you? How many would be too many?
Or is an infinite number OK with you, as long as males get what they want?

if there’s only a minuscule ‘threat’ from transsexual women in women’s prisons why go to the expense of creating separate wings?

To protect women from being raped in women's prisons.

But you don't give a shit about women. You just expect us to act as human shields and as validation tools for an allegedly 'oppressed minority' of people who want to trample all over women no matter that it harms us.