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Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

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Vebrithien · 06/01/2023 09:55

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

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ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:51

clearly.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/01/2023 17:51

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:50

Yeah, so fuck her, right?

She matters less.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:50

Yeah, so fuck her, right?

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:50

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:48

And the risk of the male person triggering PTSD in women? How is that managed? Women are forced to shower with transwomen in prison, did you know that? Women have been raped and at least one impregnated in the US.

But you know, 'greater good'.

One in a nation of 300 million!

NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 17:50

Not is risk is managed effectively

So what you're saying is that the women who don't want men in their cells will find out it's not so bad and come to like it, and hence be better off, or what?

Or else what's the "win" for them?

Is it that the men are substituting for more dangerous female prisoners, who will be sent off to the men's prison, so the women are safer?

(Sorry to be coming up with these ridiculous suggestions, but it's a real struggle to see how women are supposed to "win" in your plan).

DialSquare · 06/01/2023 17:50

This thread needs to be shared with the break it down for me thread when ever anyone comes here asking questions about this ideology.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:50

' the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/01/2023 17:49

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

Always love it when male supremacism reveals itself on a feminist board full of women.
Women - know your place as support humans for sad men (and sex offenders)

LaughingPriest · 06/01/2023 17:48

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:46

A male's desire to be in a female space trumps the woman's right to say no. Amazing.

So we were right all along.
Weird that TRAs lied and said we weren't.

Thanks for proving my point ELO - I'm getting a bit of Poe's law here but keep it up.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:48

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:46

Not is risk is managed effectively

And the risk of the male person triggering PTSD in women? How is that managed? Women are forced to shower with transwomen in prison, did you know that? Women have been raped and at least one impregnated in the US.

But you know, 'greater good'.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/01/2023 17:47

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:46

A male's desire to be in a female space trumps the woman's right to say no. Amazing.

And the male is the most oppressed.

It is truly amazing.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:46

A male's desire to be in a female space trumps the woman's right to say no. Amazing.

Wellies54 · 06/01/2023 17:46

So if a male person is psychologically female does this mean 'she' has ovaries in her brain and can give birth out of her ear? If not, please explain what psychologically female means.

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:46

NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 17:45

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

You've given up on the "win-win" then?

Not is risk is managed effectively

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:46

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

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NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 17:45

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

You've given up on the "win-win" then?

lifeturnsonadime · 06/01/2023 17:45

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

So the males come first.

Got it.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:45

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:42

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

To run with the 'consent' analogy - if six women are in a changing room and five say they are fine changing in front of males but one woman says 'no', then that is the voice that carries.

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:41

So a woman's 'no' has to matter less than a man's yes?

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/01/2023 17:43

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

Define "trans woman". Most women don't want penises in women only spaces, according to all the polls which have asked the question (data!). Most women don't support legal self ID of sex.

LaughingPriest · 06/01/2023 17:43

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’

If you deny that a male (who is trans) is male, you are denying they are trans. Their sex forms part of the actual definition of being trans.

If you believe they are a female woman you are erasing what it means to be trans.

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2023 17:43

Does sexual consent involve a similar kind of 'compromise'?

Are you one of these who subscribe to the 'cotton ceiling' school of thought?

NancyDrawed · 06/01/2023 17:43

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

Whether they 'see' them as makes or not, they ARE male and therefore don't belong in the female estate

lifeturnsonadime · 06/01/2023 17:43

because all real progress involved compromise

The only people you are expecting to compromise are women.

Which goes to show you know exactly who the women are.

And you still claim that transwomen are the 'most oppressed'.

So interesting.

DialSquare · 06/01/2023 17:42

Why are there currently transwomen in the female estate but no transmen in the male estate? What could be the reason for that do you think?

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