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Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)

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IwantToRetire · 01/01/2023 19:10

So not satisfied with appropriating the work, ideas and campaigning of one woman and many active supporters, some complete set of nobody film makers have taken it upon themselves to school us silly air heads on how to behave and who to talk to.

Leaving aside the smug condescension of believing the have the right to tell us how to behave, this is a perfect example of where complete nobodies who exploit other people to further their own media career, then assume they are as politically relevant and analytically acute as actual activists.

kaygreen.blog/2022/12/31/model-response-to-a-dilemma-for-women-in-the-left-right-storm/

This is the problem with the media at the moment, presenters and film makers who are just the vehicle to get voices and ideas heard, then think they are entitled to become the spokes person.

Apart from anything else, did these nupties even think maybe we should ask those who the film was actually about. I know they would, having been hand selected as the appropriately politically aligned voices, also refused, but even within the unethical world of these self promoters, do they really think they take precedence.

But it does gives us a clear idea of their moral compass and how they felt able to bandwagon of others work and go to extreme lengths to make sure they are never referred to or acknowledged.

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Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 13:09

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 12:35

Reading their twitter timeline is eye opening.

I do recommend anyone who wonders what the issue is to read the replies to comments about the statement to understand better the tone of the statement.

For clarification The replies here are the ones I am talking about.

twitter.com/ahfdoco/status/1609162156519444480?s=46&t=-PFbLYk6Py2__kQcUyA-AQ

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 13:00

And this seems pertinent too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4712295-first-they-came-for-kjk-now-helen-joyce

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 12:38

Reading their twitter timeline is eye opening.

Isn't it just?

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 12:35

Reading their twitter timeline is eye opening.

I do recommend anyone who wonders what the issue is to read the replies to comments about the statement to understand better the tone of the statement.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 12:31

Everyone gets to judge everyone else’s actions @SapphosRock . It’s the circle of life

judgy pants cut both ways (or something)

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 12:27

But some of those bubbles are already converted but in other leftist bubbles, as beastly says, there will be much resistance because trans ideology and TW are sacred.

But going on TC won't help them. I have no idea what willl tbh.

SapphosRock · 04/01/2023 12:22

A group of passionate UK left wing feminists have made a budget £5k film that they don't want to promote using the far right media in America.

I really struggle to see why anyone would have beef with that.

FemaleAndLearning · 04/01/2023 12:18

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 11:45

I don't think KJK has ever been intolerant of Bindel etc. she might have reacted to their criticism but she's never spoken badly of them, as far I know.

She recently said she'd quite like to hang out with JB.

I was trying to be neutral in my statement, but I believe you are right. KJK did send an olive branch that was rejected.

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 12:02

Bubbles reaching out to bubbles maybe...

Yes, maybe. But some of those bubbles are already converted but in other leftist bubbles, as beastly says, there will be much resistance because trans ideology and TW are sacred.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 11:59

The only people from Mumsnet who will watch it is probably the people who already are very familiar with the issues. It certainly would not be something I would rely on.

Weren't we told a couple of years ago there was only 6 of us? That the rest of us are just socks having discussions between ourselves.... ahh.... I remember that with many laughs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2023 11:56

The film has been platformed here on Mumsnet with all its millions of readers.

It had very little interest before TRAs started getting screenings cancelled.

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 11:51

They cannot see nuance.

That is the problem. Right there. Why the film makers and other leftist women and groups don't want to go out of their bubble.

Bubbles reaching out to bubbles maybe...

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 11:49

KJK is NOT a feminist' - I only ever say that she says she isn't. I don't know how the hell she isn't though. She's as radical as they come.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 11:48

Wow £5K. That seems very lean for all the travel and time to capture the women's voices. Let alone the time to edit it. But I guess in that case if they didn't plan for it to make a higher revenue, they can afford to take their principled stance.

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 11:46

SapphosRock · 04/01/2023 11:35

I have no idea how they funded it. I believe it was about £5k in total.

Pre free release they sold tickets to public showings in various venues (that weren't banned like Edinburgh) and I believe had some donations.

WarriorN · 04/01/2023 11:45

I don't think KJK has ever been intolerant of Bindel etc. she might have reacted to their criticism but she's never spoken badly of them, as far I know.

She recently said she'd quite like to hang out with JB.

SapphosRock · 04/01/2023 11:35

I have no idea how they funded it. I believe it was about £5k in total.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 11:28

SapphosRock · 04/01/2023 11:22

The only people that will platform this will be the people that some feminists will shun.

The ring wing media is not the only option feminists have. It is one of many options.

The film has been platformed here on Mumsnet with all its millions of readers.

Ok. I love your confidence. I do not share it at all. I do not think that they will make enough from YouTube clicks to cover their costs.

Can you tell me if this has been a crowdfunded film please Sappho?

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 11:27

And it is actually getting pretty tiresome this whole 'KJK is NOT a feminist'.

Haven't Helen Joyce and Maya Forstater also now made that same declaration after the fall out from Brighton? Who were lauded as feminists only 12 months ago ?

I find it very worrisome really. She has made the declaration because she was effectively having 'you say you are a feminist but ....' used as a reason to discredit her. Said by one group of feminists.

Let's not lose sight of why she says it.

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 11:25

Surely the left-wing Graun will be acceptable...

gendercriticalwoman.blog/category/guardian/

Oh.

SapphosRock · 04/01/2023 11:22

The only people that will platform this will be the people that some feminists will shun.

The ring wing media is not the only option feminists have. It is one of many options.

The film has been platformed here on Mumsnet with all its millions of readers.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 11:18

yes. So many great voices captured. It did get a little repetitive in one bite though and I am a highly involved audience member.

And yes. I think that that the entire world should see it but it really is the same old argument, isn't it?

The only people that will platform this will be the people that some feminists will shun. It could well be that the film makers do not think that they would be able to actually discuss this in a way that will be convincing with either a neutral or a not enthusiastically aligned interviewer. It could be purely that they are scared of 'guilt by association'.

They are free to make their own political views heard.

Was this a crowd funded video and the film makers do not have to make anything to break even by any chance?

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 11:16

For clarity I support KJK and I support the valuable work that Julie Bindel et al do, I can't understand how intolerant they all are to each other when we are fighting for the word woman to remain as adult human female.

I don't think KJK has ever been intolerant of Bindel etc. she might have reacted to their criticism but she's never spoken badly of them, as far I know.

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 11:12

There's room for the reverse; deliberately attempting to reach only left leaning people. Remaining independent. All bases covered. Just as has been said for KJK et Al. These leftist people have an inbuilt filter that automatically rejects anything even slightly connected to the right. They cannot see nuance.

They cannot see nuance.

That is the problem. Right there. Why the film makers and other leftist women and groups don't want to go out of their bubble.

FemaleAndLearning · 04/01/2023 11:07

Yes this is about KJK. They wanted to get their film out before hers and give the message that they can do it cheaper and lay foundations for the 'right' message. They wanted to have a dig at KJK for going on Carlson show and enjoying it and not denouncing the far right.
Yes you can make a filmcheaper if you do an interview style film like they did instead of jetting across the Atlantic. The film is quite academic in its style whereas I suspect KJKs film will put the conclusions up front and then go into the detail, much more media savvy.
The model response was far too much waffle. If they chose to give up this opportunity they could simply have said thank you for the offer but our views do not align so we decline. I doubt the producer even bothered to read to the end of it as it was so condescending. TC will certainly not give them any free air time by saying we invited the film makers but...
This war on women and our words affects women and children of all political persuasions. If we don't reclaim our words we have no rights. Those fighting on the left can keep fighting in their narrow way but they are talking to a very niche group of people. When I talk to people on the streets at events the general public are oblivious to what is going on. They are the people we need to reach to turn the tide.
For clarity I support KJK and I support the valuable work that Julie Bindel et al do, I can't understand how intolerant they all are to each other when we are fighting for the word woman to remain as adult human female.

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