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Primary school new RSE policy including "trans children"

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Useruser1 · 25/10/2022 22:56

This has come to review for me as a governor. Included in the year 5 section:

"However, special consideration and sensitivity will be needed for any pupils who identify as being transgender. Throughout teaching this topic, it is acknowledged that there is the possibility that a person can identify as a gender different from that assigned to them at birth."

I can feel myself having a panic attack at the thought of raising this but I know I need to. I DO NOT want children in my school being told girls who want to be boys can be.
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/schools-resources-and-policies/

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ScrollingLeaves · 26/10/2022 11:30

This post comes across of you objecting to treating children confused about their gender sensitively and with consideration which seems pretty transphobic to me.

The OP said,
“I DO NOT want children in my school being told girls who want to be boys can be.”

Sensitivity to a primary school age child ( age 4 - 10) who says (or more likely whose parents say )they are transgender, need not mean official social transition and ‘affirmation’, lying to and confusing the other children, and teaching them in RSE lessons with non-speak words like ‘assigned at birth’, ‘gender identity’ or there is a ‘spectrum’. That is not sensitive.

TheClogLady · 26/10/2022 11:16

This recent statement from ACAUK could be helpful too:

acpuk.org.uk/the-cass-review-and-its-implications-psychologically-informed-considerations-for-the-future/

The Cass interim report and the NHS draft guidelines and this guide use ‘children with Gender Dysphoria’ never ‘transgender child’ which is a disputed concept.

Lilithslove · 26/10/2022 11:01

What exactly are you objecting to here?
Are you saying that treating children who think they are trans sensitively is a bad thing? So you think they should be treated insensitively? Or should schools ignore the fact that vast swathes of children are now identifying as transgender because you think that will somehow protect your precious child from being influenced?

People like to respond with wide-eyed faux innocence when people say this forum is transphobic and say that people should point it out when they see it so I will.
This post comes across of you objecting to treating children confused about their gender sensitively and with consideration which seems pretty transphobic to me.

dolorsit · 26/10/2022 10:59

Tryinga · 26/10/2022 10:41

What’s wrong with that? It’s not teaching kids that you can change sex, just that there’s a possibility that someone may identify as ?

Because "identify as" is these days often used or perceived as "I am"

hatsofftoyouall · 26/10/2022 10:52

Schools are supposed to be challenging sexist stereotypes

hatsofftoyouall · 26/10/2022 10:52

That's sexist

Tryinga · 26/10/2022 10:41

What’s wrong with that? It’s not teaching kids that you can change sex, just that there’s a possibility that someone may identify as ?

DontAskIDontKnow · 26/10/2022 10:37

It sounds like they are trying to be careful with that statement, but I agree with stalling till the guidance is issued. The second sentence should be removed simply based on the grammar.
I’d try opening with talking about safeguarding concerns in this area, confusing the children and taking a cautious approach.
Are there any trans-identifying children in the school? If not, there is absolutely no need for the school to include this in RSE teaching.

hatsofftoyouall · 26/10/2022 09:42

Good luck.

It's possible that they will cite KCSIE which does talk about lgbt bullying, but this is entirely different. Be ready to make the distinction between being respectful and keeping all children safe from abuse and allowing medical abuse of a child via the back door via solid affirmation.

Latest updates/ consultations from the nhs should make it clear that there's no such thing as a trans child.

Also highlight the sexism of the idea of a trans child.

The word sexism is firmly recognised and helps shift pov, highlighting the regressive gender stereotyping involved and separating from basic biology. And leads to conversations around medical implications of fully affirming.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/10/2022 09:31

There is a related petition about RSE in schools teaching gender ideology which people here may be interested to sign.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_notice
oard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex?reply=118747502

Petition:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618970

ScrollingLeaves · 26/10/2022 09:27

That is brave of you OP and good luck.

KatMcBundleFace · 25/10/2022 23:41

I think schools guidelines on children with gender dysphoria are coming out soon, can you at least stall them using that?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/10/2022 23:36

Well done OP. The Cass Review and the NHS consultation into the new gender services are your friends. Clear & informed that children should not be socially transitioned and that for most it's a phase:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4661605-most-children-who-think-theyre-transgender-are-just-going-through-a-phase-says-nhs

waterwitch · 25/10/2022 23:33

Good luck! Make sure you have your arguments & references all sorted out - it will help if you feel well prepared. You will be doing a very good thing for the children in your school 💐

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