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Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed vs Eddie Izzard

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fromorbit · 11/10/2022 15:19

If you are based in Sheffield please lend your support to Abtisam Mohamed a strong local woman candidate, a solicitor of Yemeni descent and longstanding Labour Councillor who has done valuable local work for the community including on nurseries. Sheffield Central is a safe Labour seat so whoever is selected is going to Parliament. Eddie Izzard has also launched a campaign but besides being a celebrity, has more glitz than steel, hasn't lived in Sheffield since being a student, plus as we all know is unclear about who they are.

Mohamed has an inspiring story, worked her way up to get a great career going and is focused on getting practical stuff done. She will make a great MP.

Abtisam Mohamed interview
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-councillor-launches-her-bid-to-become-a-city-mp-3871921

Abtisam Mohamed Campaign page including a great video lots on her local concerns for the city:
abtisammohamed.com/

In contrast Izzard's campaign, getting loads of press coverage, is thin on detail:
www.eddieizzard.uk/

The local paper talked to people who questioned Izzard's chance of winning a few months back:

"In contrast, Jane Armstrong questioned her claim to run in the city.

She wrote: “I had heard this for a while and if she is fancying Central I know a lot of Labour members in that area who are really hostile to having her as a candidate. Not because she isn't nice person, but because people do not like celebrities being parachuted into wards above local candidates."
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/eddie-izzard-sheffield-readers-share-their-thoughts-on-comedians-bid-to-be-city-centrals-next-mp-3821984?itm_source=parsely-api

Apparently several other councillors may be standing as well so it should be an interesting contest.

I am not sure when the cut off point if you join Labour locally you will get to vote on who the candidate is. The actual contest has not yet begun yet but if I were local I would be signing up.

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Signalbox · 21/11/2022 10:09

Abtisam Mohamed put out a tweet yesterday on "Transgender Day of Remembrance" with some pretty vague statistics saying that "crimes against transgender people saw the biggest rise, with 4,355 reports, up 56% from the previous year."

I'm assuming she means reports of non-crime hate incidents which by definition are not crimes. But she does not say where the stats have come from so who knows?

twitter.com/Abtisam_Mohamed/status/1594375049594736646

Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
Birdsweepsin · 21/11/2022 09:59

@criticalcondition too true.

You never see men identifying as trans because they are keen to do more of the housework amd picking up the kids, be paid less, overlooked for promotion and talked over in meetings, and cos they really love endometriosis!

CriticalCondition · 21/11/2022 09:56

None of the 'ideology' stands up does it. As soon as you examine it it becomes apparent it's two things, both sides of the same toxic coin.

Men wanting to do what they want without any checks or boundaries. Hey guys, if you're trans you can enter any single sex space you like, gain acclaim, awards, election as an MP, have sex with lesbians, plead in mitigation of crimes, work in a children's charity.

For men it's a golden ticket isn't it. And you don't even have to cut your cock off. Grow some breasts if you fancy but a bit of part time sparkly nail polish will do it.

For women, not so much. They'll are desperate to escape sexism and misogny. Hey girls, if you're trans you can break free of the patriarchy. Sorry, short hair, and wearing a suit on Tuesdays isn't enough. You'll have to cut off your breasts and take drugs which will make you infertile.

I feel so sick and angry thinking about it.

Datun · 21/11/2022 07:46

He's a self confessed transvestite who is adopting gender ideology as he sees it as advantageous. All the woke points of being trans, but back to non trans for lucrative film roles.

Unfortunately, blithely switching 'trans' on and off to suit your lifestyle doesn't tally with the official line of the terrible suffering of being 'born in the wrong body.'

He's blowing a hole in the narrative and everyone can see it.

Lottapianos · 21/11/2022 07:39

'It's confusing'

To be honest, I think he's just a pisstaker and a chancer, who is openly trying to have his cake and eat it. He's jumping on this particular bandwagon and is trying to claim that he 'came out as transgender' 30 years ago. I think he knows perfectly well that he's a man, who likes to wear stereotypically feminine things, and that most people are fine with that, it's been done before a million times. It's just not attention-grabbing enough anymore, so he's had to embellish the story for extra headlines. He's incredibly tiresome

rabbitwoman · 21/11/2022 07:13

Also, I am not entirely sure Eddie has, even managed to reassure trans women or allies that he would be a good representative.

What is he claiming to be, exactly? Trans women, by their very definition, don't have 'boy mode'. So is Eddie trans? Is that what trans means? And if that means trans women can have an element of 'boy mode', how does that work with including them in our spaces, then? Even the most supportive of women happy to allow trans women alongside them in vulnerable scenarios might hesitate if Eddie is representing trans women as actually having a 'boy mode' as well?

It's confusing.

rabbitwoman · 21/11/2022 07:00

I do wonder what Eddie's next move will be - he was very focused on a career in politics, I have heard him say so many times in interviews, he's been planning and looking forward to this for decades.

It must be very disheartening to have fallen at the first hurdle, so to speak. I wonder if this will cause a moment of reflection for Eddie and the Labour Party in general?

Maybe dismissing concerns of women isn't a good look after all?

Woolandwonder · 21/11/2022 06:08

Beowulfa · 09/11/2022 12:27

Leaving the egotistical antics of Izzard aside, it is heartening to read about the other candidates-proper old-school ones with quantifiable service to local services who have a stake in the community. These are the kind of people who should be politicians.

So true. There are some great candidates, it's what makes EI sweeping in so frustrating, these people have been working incredibly hard and doing some amazing things in Sheffield for years. I'm fairly sure Abtisam will win, but we'll see.

BigSpenderLog · 21/11/2022 00:32

Needlesandsafetypins · 10/11/2022 09:30

@mauvish The photo of EI shows him on the coast, and there's no coast in Sheffield!

It's global warming dontch know? The sea has come in as far as Sheffield Station.
I'm surprised the Greens aren't all over that.🤔

Should have had a picture in Sheffield's Megatron, located under the station. 🙄

Boomboom22 · 14/11/2022 20:15

Bad he's got this far, seriously labour should be so ahead and they pull shit like this.

fromorbit · 14/11/2022 18:48

Short list announced. Only 4 left in the race:

Jayne Dunn
Abtisam Mohamed
Eddie Izzard
Rizwana Lala

Paul Mason and Mike Buckley are both out. Not sure why Izzard was included over Buckley both had 1 endorsement from a branch and similar levels of affiliated organisation support.

Final votes to be taken by party members and affilates by early December. So another 3 weeks or so to go.

It seems likely final winner will be Abtisam or Rizwana.

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fromorbit · 10/11/2022 11:03

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2022 15:32

Maybe not 'all the answers' but 'an answer' would be a start.

Izzard very much dodging the question again. However the fact that Izzard sees Rosie as an actual member of the party, he is willing to put up with despite disagreements shows a gulf between him and other TRAs.

Remember Labour TRAs recently attempted to get her to lose the whip again utterly failed:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4664759-young-labour-etc-demand-rosie-duffield-lose-whip

No wonder Owen Jones won't back him. Eddie really doesn't understand the social activist mindset - he has the jargon, but not the pure zealotry yet. He was already semi cancelled for not not demanding Rowling was burned.

Meanwhile Glosswitch has just written an excellent article looking at the 60 year old Izzard's weird ideas about the 21st century and the power of older women. Worth reading:
archive.ph/ZWD8S

Rosie retweeted it.
twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1590647067248308226

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Needlesandsafetypins · 10/11/2022 09:30

@mauvish The photo of EI shows him on the coast, and there's no coast in Sheffield!

It's global warming dontch know? The sea has come in as far as Sheffield Station.
I'm surprised the Greens aren't all over that.🤔

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2022 09:28

I can’t come in and wave a magic wand and solve all the problems, because some people are very entrenched

I prefer politicians to keep their magic wands to themselves, thanks.

Needlesandsafetypins · 10/11/2022 09:25

@SocialConnotations Not sure why Izzard is bothering with a campaign - can't he/she just self-identify as Sheffield's MP?

😂😂

BellaAmorosa · 10/11/2022 09:22

Beowulfa · 09/11/2022 12:27

Leaving the egotistical antics of Izzard aside, it is heartening to read about the other candidates-proper old-school ones with quantifiable service to local services who have a stake in the community. These are the kind of people who should be politicians.

@Beowulfa
Exactly. Very inspiring and reassuring that the front runners appear to be dedicated to serving their community and the wider public.
There really is no excuse to parachute a candidate in.

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 10/11/2022 09:09

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2022 15:32

Maybe not 'all the answers' but 'an answer' would be a start.

Quite. If MPs had proper answers to every problem then we'd have solved everything by now and I do feel that any 'poster person' for any issue probably gets a bit fed up with it. But EI (and the Greens for that matter - a single issue party who don't seem to be talking about their single issue any more either) needs to have a clear line to take, even if it's not a line we on this board would agree with.

@fromorbit thanks for your updates, to my shame I don't know much about this part of the political process. It's fascinating.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2022 15:32

Maybe not 'all the answers' but 'an answer' would be a start.

nilsmousehammer · 09/11/2022 15:11

Datun · 09/11/2022 11:59

Quite.

"When we move on to discuss how self-ID reforms would affect women-only spaces she becomes impatient at being seen as the spokesperson for the trans movement. “I don’t have all the answers,”

No shit. That means you can't justify using the women's toilets on the basis of anything other than, I want to.

Which, in a completely predictable twist, IS the bloody answer from everyone who does it.

What interviewers fail to add is:

Does this mean you are not aware of or simply do not care about females from these at risk groups, who can't use any other space and will just have to be excluded so that you can do what you want?

fromorbit · 09/11/2022 14:25

Izzard's previous interviews have not helped the campaign at times especially where he seemed to be arguing at times he was going to be putting Sheffield on the map. This one had some of that, but not as bad.

It clearly hasn't impressed branch members anyway. I don't think Izzard really understands local roots - with his background makes sense, but you can learn to do it, to understand its significance. Sunak definitely knows how to Yorkshire stuff up and he had no connection to the area.

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mauvish · 09/11/2022 12:46

OK, I'm nit-picking. But I've just looked at that EI interview (link above). If you were standing for selection in a parliamentary constituency, and were giving interviews based on that, wouldn't you get the photographer to take a picture of you somewhere in that constituency?

The photo of EI shows him on the coast, and there's no coast in Sheffield!

Ok, nitpicking -- but really, isn't this part of showing your commitment to the constituency, rather than your commitment to furthering your own publicity?

mauvish · 09/11/2022 12:33

I have to say that in the 30+ years I've lived here, Sheffield has had a good history of selecting solid constituency MPs (with a couple of dishonourable exceptions!)

Beowulfa · 09/11/2022 12:27

Leaving the egotistical antics of Izzard aside, it is heartening to read about the other candidates-proper old-school ones with quantifiable service to local services who have a stake in the community. These are the kind of people who should be politicians.

SirMingeALot · 09/11/2022 12:13

It's almost like choosing to talk publicly about being male or female depending what's convenient and intimidating teenage girls in bogs has consequences.

Datun · 09/11/2022 12:03

And it's noted that Izzard is getting 'impatient' with being asked these questions.

Well, the questions aren't going to stop, so better get used to it.