Teachers who discuss sex-based women’s rights with transgender colleagues would be considered “transphobic” under a policy proposed by members of Britain’s largest teaching union.

I think this is where it gets awkward.

Because I can see them telling a white teacher who wanted to talk about a controversial issue around racism with another teacher who was black that it was harassment. Even if they were talking about something related to teaching practice, say whether certain books should be taught. Or wanting to teach a Thomas Sowell approach to the history of slavery rather than a EDI type approach.

That's not to say I agree with that, but I do think it could happen.

So I am not sure that this is really out of line with the general approach of identity politics.

It sounds to me like a niche group within the NEU focused on trans only has proposed the ideas, rather than them actually being implemented as policy.

I would hope the NEU still has the sense to see the massive conflict of rights and how it would limit teachers' ability to work and will not actually pass the proposal.

Problem is, having wreaked destruction on women's rights, the Tory government, who are the only ones who can fix it aren't bothering their arses. Genderwoo is now woven throughout government policies and with each man in a woman's space, precedent and case law is cemented.

By the time Labour come to power, if Labour come to power, they won't have to do a thing. The Tories will have ended the job they started in 2017.

Teachers should join the FSU.

The tories may have fucked this up but they're also our best hope of getting out of it. A labour govt would be disastrous for women and children.

It doesn't matter what the Labour Party does or suggests. They could get behind everything you've written, tomorrow @SimpleName83. Put it in their manifesto. Shout it from the rooftops. But it wouldn't make a single bit of difference because they're not in power.🤷‍♀️

Meanwhile, due to the Tory policy of Self ID and trans inclusion, child rapists with no GRC are put into prisons with vulnerable women and children, women are not raped in hospitals by not rapist men pretending to be women. And it's being suggested that biological female children wait and lose out if a biological male child wants to use their facilities.

You want to wait 2 years for a possible Labour government that may never arrive, before things are fixed?

Seriously. I do need to know, and I need proof, that the Labour Party is committed to women's rights and children's safeguarding against male violence and male sexual exploitation, before I'd even consider voting Labour again. I'm a former Labour voter. It wasn't me who changed and did a flip on women's rights and childen's rights and safeguarding.

What is the Labour Party proposing as as alternative?

Is the Labour Party proposing a strict law on single-sex spaces for women and girls? With actual criminal sanctions for men who seek to victimise women by breaching women's boundaries? Can you please give me details on how the Labour Party seeks to protect the rights of women and children against predatory men?

Have you read this thread @SimpleName83? www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4651945-trans-guidance-for-schools-that-british-fudge-that-so-often-works?page=1

A possible solution being mooted by this Tory government is that whole classes of girls should wait while transgirls use the school PE changing rooms. This shit is happening to girls today because of this fucking Tory shitshow of a government.🤦‍♀️

The Labour party could very well stand up and speak out loudly and clearly against the sexual exploitation and mutlilation of children; but for its own reasons, it chooses not to do so. Why is that?

It's fucking disgusting. Mermaids have obviously appointed a proven nonce, and given free rein to a sexual exhibitionist man. To be in charge of troubled children.
This is abhorrent.

Labour are not going to do anything about it. Labour cannot do anything about it at this time.

The Tory Party could do something about it, given their massive parliamentary majority. But they can't be bothered, even though it's their fucking mess, and are hoping that a typically British fudge is the solution.

TooBigForMyBoots:

And what are Labour going to do about people like those mentioned in the Times link given above above by MrsOvertonsWindow?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca30ddfe-48e1-11ed-8176-c5c5e560820a?shareToken=bb95ff5e988ec157b06e22f7455eb977

I want precise details from Labour on the rights of women and children, not "after the revolution, love, now make me a sandwich and a cup of tea."

Unless you're suggesting a coup? Or a revolution?🤔

@SimpleName83 everyone in the UK is subject to the balls ups made by successive Tory government's over the past 12 years.

One of their most infamous fuck ups wrt women's rights has been to write trans inclusion and genderwoo into government policies since PM Theresa May introduced the Tory Policy of Self ID in 2017. Unfortunately, because they are the government, no other party or institution, can do anything. Except follow government policy.

Presumably the NEU would deem any discussion of these people and their organisation transphobic? Great way to remove safeguarding from children:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca30ddfe-48e1-11ed-8176-c5c5e560820a?shareToken=bb95ff5e988ec157b06e22f7455eb977

So is the Labour party, and are any unions, doing anything to protect the sex-based rights of women and girls?

And if so, could you please tell me what they are doing, and provide me with credible, verifiable links, that are safe-for-work? Thanks in advance!

Why would a teacher need to discuss this in the workplace?

How about if I refuse to take a group on an overnight school trip where there would be mixed sex sleeping arrangements without parents being informed? What if a female student tells me she is uncomfortable changing in front of someone with a male body? What if I’m instructed to use preferred pronouns and participate in social transitioning of a child without medical or parental knowledge by a leadership team who haven’t read the interim Cass report? There are, unfortunately, many circumstances where it may be necessary to discuss this at work. And, at my workplace, we discuss many complex and potentially offensive subjects as necessary to safeguard our students. I don’t see why this one should be automatically off limits.

Fortunately, I’m not in the NEU. My current union doesn’t come out with such nonsense - they are focussed on protecting workers’ employment rights. Thank goodness. If they change, I’ll be moving to having professional insurance instead of a union.

It will be 2 years before you can vote for anyone else.

Two more years of Tory government actively destroying our rights. And passively destroying our rights by not fixing the damage caused by their policy of Self ID and not bothering their arses enforcing laws against VAWG.

It is so painful, that we have to put up with this bloody government; and yet we don't have any effective political party to vote for and relieve us of this.

If only we had a government in power who could protect female single sex spaces with their enormous majority.

I don't get it as I've had to " participate in discussion or debate about their rights and/or identities” as a biological hetro woman for most of my life. I'm not feminine, very tall, not Petite and not into fashion.
I'd be delighted if I could get this kind of protection in so many spheres.

Yes, exactly this, and thank you for saying so Fenlandia.

Would black people or gay people be told, and accept being told, that they cannot talk about rights, policies or issues pertaining to them?

I think the answer to that is a definite No.

But women's rights? Up for grabs by any man at the moment, it seems.

Would you tell a black or gay teacher they couldn't talk about rights, policies or issues that pertain to them?

That makes it very, very clear.

Trans rights are in direct competition with women's rights.

We are going to have to pick a side.

Well they can get stuffed.