Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

I've been thinking that increasingly, esp as I am re-reading Handmaid's Tale as my son is doing it for English Lit A level. I told him this at the beginning - that she said that everything in the book and happended or was happening to women somewhere and he scoffed. He's not scoffing anymore.

Under his Eye.

Regardless of 'feelings' about any Women...remember it could be YOU next.
All this talk of she says he says, needs to stop.
A Women the biological type...has been arrested ...for what ?
Has she threatened death to anyone, no !

I've no idea what's going on in this Country but 'they 'have a level of power... that's terrifying.

This is extremely worrying.

Am aghast at some people here clearly feeling that this is Ok, because they think Caroline has dreadful opinions. Am less aghast at the whataboutery over what is a minor part of the story re the sectioning, as that is very par for the course on a thread like this, about a specific named woman being targeted. I can spot at least one poster who can only do nit picky sophistry, most often on threads about certain women, through whatever name change they have, and is utterly incapable of engaging with any substantive matter. Best ignored.

There is much that I disagree with Caroline about. It seems that the absolute baseline of acceptable human interaction is that she is entitled to her viewpoint, and to be able to articulate it without being persecuted.

Police entering a home and removing items without a warrant is ultimately a bad thing for everyone, regardless of whether one happens to agree with that person's views or not.

This, in a nutshell, Quagaar

Yes - even though "you can't have a thread about one person in this situation because you haven't started a thread about every person who has been in this situation" is logically unsound, it's also incorrect.

We've had countless threads about women being arrested on spurious grounds - some of them even had different alleged "reporters" than the person who summoned the police in this incident. Even this morning before I knew about CF I was reading about that poor woman who got treated horrifically after being allegedly involved in the Bristol protests (fairly old story).

Honestly KettrickenSmiled
Rocking up on a thread about CF being arrested and arguing that we shouldn't be discussing CF being arrested.
Maybe try these threads if this one isn't to your liking?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commission

or the legendary Fred Sergeant:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4647762-fred-sargeant-statement

Or the one about threats from trans extremists to burn down the venue for the Filia Feminist conference?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4647762-fred-sargeant-statement

Surely the context of remarks about sectioning is relevant to whether the remarks were received as a threat or not? The context here is the disproportionate use of force in CF being removed from her home, her devices seized, and being held in custody. It would surely be reasonable for her to perceive the sectioning remarks as a threat rather than a genuine concern or her welfare.

Yes, @KettrickenSmiled I didn't address your whataboutery and lying. Others did, however, so no need to go over it again here.

I mean, I'm not sure why I shouldn't pull out one part of your comment to respond to. You can call it 'selective quoting' if you want to, but in actual fact, it's just 'quoting'. It's not as if you said anything in the rest of your comment which altered the meaning of the words I quoted.

Massive whataboutism going on here

I have the bingo card to hand.

So far we have:

• she's catholic
• she's anti gay marriage
• she's anti abortion
• she eats hamsters and leaves the toilet seat up
• she's right wing (dear God the horror )
• she's privileged (Run! Run for your lives!)
• you're not allowed to care about her until you've demonstrated sufficient action and virtue signalling to all of x, y and z

No one's said 'fascist' yet. <disappointed>

But basically all of this says: if you're not the Right Kind of Person you do not deserve equality under the law, or fair treatment, and other women should not help you.

Fuck that. It's morally fubar.

Why would the police deal with truly tough criminals when a whingeing person complaining of ''Hurt feelings'' will mean the police can go round and arrest a relatively docile woman?
Easy target for them.

It's like a gardener choosing to pull up weeds in a rose~bed, as opposed to digging out Japanese knotweed, or removing Pyracantha.

An easy job to target a woman who allegedly ''Said something'' that hurt a man's feelings.
This is my take on it anyway.

Ah, selective quoting @beastlyslumber. The part that you've omitted, which explains that I dislike the warpath choice because it totally ignores the similar plight of thousands of other women changes the sense entirely, but why let facts get in the way of your tiny crusade?

Also, I don't think you quite understand what misogny means. Disliking one female individual doesn't equal misogyny.

Never takes long does it beastlyslumber ?

Are you sure?

You wouldn't believe how some people get mixed up about who they are. It seems to be a very easy mistake to make.

Agree...or ask Fair Cop to come and do it, along with a Q&A @MNHQ

Yy I think it would be helpful. I might start a thread in Site Stuff about it.

😃

Yes, I ignored the whataboutery and focused on the misogyny.

Other people have commented on the whataboutery, though, so don't worry Ganymede.

heavens to murgatroyd

<pats self down>

nope, still me

Massive whataboutism going on here - we’ve supported loads of women through similar experiences, off the top of my head, Kate Scottow, Marion Millar, Jennifer Swayne, Posie P.

Never once have we considered the value of their house or their educational background or family income.

fuck off with that.

@MNHQ
This is a brilliant idea.

Please could you do this? This is something that EVERYONE should know, not just women.

Remember - when you teach a man, you have taught a man. When you teach a woman, you have taught her whole family.

YY!

Threats of actual violence against women are not investigated.
A woman is fingered for posting a mean meme, by someone who hates her gets arrested.

Feminists here rallied to support the woman arrested in Newport for that well known crime, Stickering, even though she was not a middle class tummy mummy.

Telling someone to rethink their answer or be sectioned is not a helpful offer. It's a threat. Helpful advice would be 'If I think you are at risk of self harm, I'd have to call medics in and consider whether you need to be sectioned for your own safety'.

So much shot being talked by male apologists.

Oh she's Catholic and privileged?!

Burn the witch! Get the pitchforks!

Jeez there really are people born out of their time, who'd have bloody loved the witch trials, or the Guillotine era, or the Inquisition.

dislike the fact that MN is on the warpath for a privileged woman

There you go. You dislike the fact that women are standing up for a woman you don't like.

You seem to have chopped that post a bit to completely change context?!

It said
It's possible to dislike Farrow, dislike police high-handedness, AND dislike the fact that MN is on the warpath for a privileged woman without single other comment about wrongful arrest & power-abusing harassment frequently happening to less well-off women
The former chopped by you makes out that it's because someone is standing up for a woman and it's misogyny, whereas the poster was talking about other women who are less well off, less privileges, no public platforms to rally support, there's not a peep for them.

There are ways to respond if they genuinely believe someone is at risk of self-harm.

Locking them back into cells until they give an answer that covers the backside of the officer in question, whilst doing nothing to protect the ostensibly vulnerable person, isn't one of them.

Can't we just grey rock the sealion? They're only here to stop us talking about the issues. Their sole purpose is to try to stop this thread discussing the fact the police are overstepping the law; and are acting like hired help; that they are responding to vexatious complaints rather than warning the vexatious complainants of the consequences of wasting police time.
How many women have reported VAWG or stalking and harassment and been told by the police that it's just a domestic or they can't do anything or to keep a diary? Yet look at what they can find time for ... acting as stalkers and harassers by proxy.