Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Yeah, fair point... This probably wasn't the best thread to finally pipe up my mistrust of Farrow. I'm massively concerned about police overreach and our loss of basic civil liberties - it's horrific the women (& men) who have been been targeted by the police for wrong think. But anything Caroline comes out with, I can't help thinking 'ok, but what really happened?'

It depends how you use it. One safe way to use Wikipedia is you go looking for information, you're pointed to Wikipedia, you get a grasp of their version, and then use that to dig deeper in reliable sources. Sometimes it can be used as a stepping stone.

May I politely agree to disagree? If any of my HE students cited Wikipedia they got an instant fail as it demonstrates a lack of ability/motivation to actually do research.

Dahlia you think people are rejecting the harrassment of Farrow, because she is an ‚asset‘?

It is much simpler than that. People here reject it because it is wrong and because they could be next. As could any outspoken woman.

here you go @ScaryFaces - it’s very unlikely you can tell us anything about KF that we haven’t already heard (and dismantled) in one thousand, three hundred and twenty eight (1328) posts.

feel free to post anymore carping re the Farms over in the second volume of KF thread and cease making this one all untidy.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

fuck me, miss the point much?

no-one thinks she's a saint. people just think that if you're OK with the police coming into the house of people you disagree with, confiscating their property and arresting them, you'd better be OK with them doing it to you one day

“You don’t have to look further than Wikipedia”. Well no, you don’t, if you want to come across as an idiot who believes anything. If Wikipedia told you all dogs were aliens and were trying to conquer the world, would you believe it @ScaryFaces? I mean, if Wikipedia says it it just be true right?

wikipedia!

Prepostrous tales that even the inventor of wiki says is prepostrous...

Sorry to say I don't buy the Saint Farrow stuff; I can't put my finger on why precisely, but she makes me deeply uncomfortable and I don't trust her. Whilst I'm not doubting she has suffered some harassment, unfortunately I cannot shake the feeling that there is something else going on with her.

No doubt I'll be roundly criticised, which is understandable - I'm presenting no evidence other than a hunch - but I wanted to put down a small marker that not everyone here thinks she's an asset in our fight to protect women's sex based rights and children from unnecessary medicalisation.

This ^

Anyone using wikipedia as a reference in a discussion about internet culture immediately outs themselves as not knowing a thing about it

On the off chance that ScaryFaces is naive rather than disingenuous, here’s the backstory: unherd.com/thepost/wikipedia-co-founder-i-no-longer-trust-the-website-i-created/

Wikipedia can be an excellent resource, so long as in using it you are aware of its limitations. I've used it for work to access highly technical information and it has been great.

However, as soon as you head into contentious areas, particularly having a political dimension, it can be worse than useless. Those contentious issues that trans activists are engaged in are often filled with misinformation with some of the assertions that can be found seemingly over the line in being libellous.

Whoever may have instigated this arrest of Farrow may have pinned a statement about the arrest on his or her Twitter feed, like a trophy.

This is sick.

Cmon wiki is the fount of all knowledge 🤣😝

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... Sorry... hahaha, just let me pull myself togeth..... hahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahah 'er and I'll type a response. Hahahahahahahaha. Nope, I can't do it. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Seriously. Wiki-fucking-pedia????????? And you think anyone with a modicum of a clue about anything should take anything you say as worthy of merit? Come the fuck on.

@SnapeAlways i have sent you a dm on twitter. I appreciate you are busy. Thank you for popping into the thread.

I can vouch first hand for the "over-reach" police currently take whenever they can. More often than not, it's punching down but we are all down from someone so this affects all of us. Chilling.

You don't have to look any further than Wikipedia

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I’m no expert but I suspect this may have been where you went wrong…

There's a long thread about Kiwi Farms elsewhere on MN but for anyone wanting a better idea of what went on rather than looking at Wikipedia, this is very informative:

www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-131-who-is-stalking-the-twitch

Spoiler: the "a threat to human life" narrative was as a result of journalistic failure.

On this basis, if I expressed ill-will or dislike towards someone for being a Scientologist or someone else for being a young earther, then I would be breaking the law? Even if it’s just dislike, no violence implied? That seems extreme.

You don't have to look any further than Wikipedia to find proof that what I'm saying is true. The most basic google search will confirm everything I've said about kiwifarms is true. It's a well known far right troll site, its own stated purpose for existence is to bully vulnerable people to suicide. The site hosted material posted by the Christchurch mosque shooter who murdered 51 people. The site has recently been dropped by its host for being, a direct quote, "a threat to human life". Anyone who denies this is being willfully ignorant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

A couple of years ago a woman I'd never met began tweeting outrageous and damaging lies about me. She repeatedly, almost daily, falsely accused me of various things I had never done to her (or anyone). When challenged by others to provide screenshots or other evidence of my alleged actions, she ignored the requests but carried on posting the lies.

I called the police.

Two officers visited me at home and told me that they were not able to take any action against her. To prosecute her under the Malicious Communications Act, they said, she would have to be sending me unwanted messages direct to me, in PMs or by email, text, phone, etc. They agreed that her tweets definitely amounted to defamation, but told me that defamation is a civil, not a criminal offence, and so I would have to sue her privately in the High Court.
Why, then, are they arresting Caroline?

Ahh, but remember, it's more important for the police to be concerned about what you think than what you actually do.

One could easily associate Twitter with the same things as Kiwifarm.
Who doesn’t remember the Twitter accounts of western ISIS members resettling in Raqqa and merrily chatting about food and beheadings.

So how do all these people who hate KF know exactly how it works and what is on there? 🤔🤔🤔. They seem very knowledgeable. And very determined that we don’t go and look there. I do wonder why that is?

The part which caught my eye was:

There is no innocent reason to be posting on a site like that, it's one of the most vile places on the internet and Farrow will not be the only kiwifarms user under police investigation

with its dual implication that firstly posting anything on that site means someone is guilty in some unspecified way and secondly that even in the absence of any illegality the police in the UK will go after you.