Men of the far right and the women's movement

beastly I think for some their own brand is simply more important than the political objective, and the brand might get tainted by even the suspicion of association with ,other‘.
Can‘t be easy winning material rights and protections for women while being cheered on by some critical race theory averse dudes or even pro-lifers. What will the colleagues say back at the Guardian….
Priorities…

What's their point though?

Yes, indeed. Perhaps Sapphos can answer it.

Because, to me, even the attempt to explain comes across as she is undermining the cause due to her associations with far right wingers.

When a) she obviously isn't, because she is incredibly popular and effective.

And b) the only people promoting the idea that she associates with far right wingers, are those who are claiming it then undermines us.

it doesn't make any sense. And so people are naturally looking beyond it for an explanation.

What's their point though?

I don't understand what the point is. Has anyone made the point clearly? Can anyone summarise the point in a sentence or two?

It seems to me that there is no point, only vague accusations of wrongdoing and insinuations of racism. But no evidence.

No point, no evidence... it's weird.

Sappho you have it upside down. Nobody here infringes on these women‘s right to free speech. They are free to speak and we are free to agree or disagree.
It is you guys who tries to shut Posie down by smearing her by guilt of association. And with a registry of all her ‚wrongthink- positions‘, no less.

I wish you were more invested in achieving the goal (end transing kids, preserve sex segregated spaces…) than in preventing it, just because the ‚wrong person‘ may get it done. Priorities…

I don't think anyone's lost their minds, they're just wrong.

And who are you accusing of racism?

There’s denouncing racism and then there’s pillorying a group of women for a pair of non entities filming a public event, completely overshadowing the women who were brave enough to speak publicly and also the absolutely shocking behaviour of the TRAs at the event.

I don’t understand how this is going to help anyone- it doesn’t help protect trans kids from irreversible medical experimentation, it doesn’t help women get single sex spaces, and it doesn’t help the fight against racism. It is a purity spiral and smacks of zealotry.

I’d also like to remind the people so concerned about anti-racism and left wing political success that telling people who were Euro-skeptics during the Brexit campaign that they were all racist gammons was about as effective a way to persuade people around to the alternative way of thinking as slamming your head in the fridge door.

I think we're going to need to crowd fund and orchard. Will we be able to afford it in addition to the fascist hunting pig?

Tala should listen to black women.

Oh I was wrong. Tala did come back. But, of course, not to back up their allegations with facts. Which makes the whole affair all the more toddleresque. 😂😂😂

pattihews this is hilarious, I didn‘t know about the pears post. This is precisely how I envision Tala writing this nonsensical post, which she will never back up with facts…. 😂😂😂

I think we are going to need an awful lot of pears in the coming weeks.

Oooh, cutted-up pear moment. We're such bad mummies.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

beastly I see your point. It was just such a detached, lazy comment. They could as well have thrown in our fear of lizard people for good measure. But, yeah, I guess, always asking for evidence, no matter how absurd the allegation is the way to go.

Always ask to see the evidence. I know they can't produce it and it's just lies, but it shows them up.

I am not sure anyone should take notes on influencing people from the RF. Even before all this gender stuff blew up, polls of regular women never seem to come up with more than 10% identifying as feminists of any kind.

They don't seem to know convince women that feminism is something they want at the best of times.

beastly don‘t overthink it, this is just trolling at this point.
They‘re just miffed that their attempt to isolate KJK has failed on this board, so they declare us all fascists or fascist enablers and their life is back in balance.

Tala, you have it upside down. You and other self- proclaimed ‚real‘ feminists try to shut women up who speak up and fight for women‘s rights.
And why? Because you center some males in the audience and make it all about them, while making their presence the women‘s responsibility.
Whatever you guys are fighting for, women‘s rights it is not.

The RFs are definitely aiming to make KJK look like some kind of fascists. But I think they are making themselves so irrelevant, it won't matter what they say. They haven't caught up yet but calling people fascists is much like calling them transphones. It just doesn't hit like it used to.

Where have you seen this, @TalaTheStoryteller? Post links please!

Yep, she doesn't need to win. But she will be able to make so much hay on the campaign trail. She will be taking on Izzard directly and it's going to be immense. I am very much here for it!

I saw a meme someone did on twitter with a pic of Izzard going into the ladies with the words "not keen?" and a pic of KJK on the other side: "vote Keen!" Hhahaha let's hope the Real Feminists get on board by then. Although Izzard is standing for Labour so I guess it's unlikely.

Winning is entirely unnecessary.

Following Izzard around the campaign trail and political TV show circuit will make the wheels come off the TRA bus.

i am so here for it.