Apparently mumsnet is next....

Never seen that either, what's it called?

Oh and as previously mentioned they don't do screenshots, they archive. Totally different thing.

Have you ever been on the site? It came with quite a reputation when I first visited, and having been on 4-chan once (shudder) I was a bit concerned about what I would see there. Reality was, and still is, totally different to what I expected.

They also have a subforum for posting hate threads against homosexuals.

"No, they don’t “touch the poo” (their vernacular and means you do not interact with the people you are talking about)"

There are a lot of media articles about the kiwifarms community responsible for stalking campaigns against transpeople amongst other crimes.

Screenshots can easily be faked.

No. I browse there regularly and I've not seen any of that.

What they do is hold a mirror up to people's own online behaviour, and mock it whilst also archiving it so a permanent record is kept.

Even with the cloud flare thing (the reasons given by cloud flare are very much denied BTW) the fruit farm is still operating.

Do they play at detective and stalk people and take their photo without their consent?

No, they don’t “touch the poo” (their vernacular and means you do not interact with the people you are talking about) they screenshot (take pictures) of what people freely share over social media for e.g. Twitter.

Hmm maybe we should take Twitter and KFs and MN all social media down then people would not be able to post stuff on one platform that people on another platform could discuss…. yes, let’s turn off the internet. Job done 🙄

"Claims that have been made about people by farmers are backup with photographic evidence"

"photographic evidence"? Do they play at detective and stalk people and take their photo without their consent? And then use these photos to try to justify making violent threats and other criminal activity?

Do you have anything to back up your accusations?

Firstly, 🥝 farms is not one person, or even a group of people acting in sync.

Secondly, if you make an accusation or claim on 🥝 farms, you back it up with proof or you GTFO. Claims that have been made about people by farmers are backup with photographic evidence.

Why would you feel the need to lie about that? They don't merely collect screenshots, they organise active harassment campaigns, they've had people swatted, they've been behind swattings and multiple death threats, and have goaded multiple people into suicide.

If that's fine with you then really need to take a good look at yourself.

Wikipedia is an unreliable source for anything in the vicinity of actual veracity. Everyone knows this, except you apparently

What the people on KF do is find things on the inter webs that their targets have posted themselves. No-one is paying off bent coppers for information or any other means of acquiring intelligence. That is not harassment or doxxing, not even if you squint. If their targets don’t want to imagine themselves feeling harassed they should stop reading about themselves on the site, and stop Googling their names.

There’s a lot of extremely candid plain-speaking and mickey-taking but the last time I looked that wasn’t illegal

Update- kiwifarms has been blocked by Cloudflare.

blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

"This is an extraordinary decision for us to make and, given Cloudflare's role as an Internet infrastructure provider, a dangerous one that we are not comfortable with. However, the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before."

www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/04/cloudflare-reverses-decision-and-drops-trans-trolling-website-kiwi-farms

"Internet infrastructure company Cloudflare says it has “blocked” a notorious trolling website that harasses and doxxes trans people, days after indicating it had no plans to do so because it regretted taking similar action in the past."

Wikipedia has some disturbing info on kiwifarms:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

"Harassment campaigns by Kiwi Farms users are known to have contributed to the suicides of three individuals.[10] The Kiwi Farms community considers it a goal to drive its targets to suicide, and has celebrated such deaths with a counter on the website.[12]: 55, 61  They have used social media reporting systems to mass-report posts by harassment targets in which they've expressed suicidal thoughts or intentions, with the goal of reducing the possibility their targets receive help.[12]: 91"

Oh catten

i am so sorry

ive just realised that I’m on the other thread and you may not have seen the first thread in which many posters explain…..doh 🤦🏻‍♂️

this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Posters have explained a few times why they defend KFs right to exist

theyve also explained that they don’t support doxxing, bullying etc

roses has it spot on

dayzey does not

It is also true of other online platforms (eg Caroline Flack).

People aren't defending the site. They are objecting to self-appointed judges deciding which sites can stay up and which must be brought down because they object to the content of discussion on the site.

I read that KF subjected vulnerable people to sustained bullying, and gloated when at least one of them took their own life.

If that’s true

It is true

then how can anyone defend that site?

Well Kiwifarms really, really hate trans people.

I read that KF subjected vulnerable people to sustained bullying, and gloated when at least one of them took their own life.

If that’s true, then how can anyone defend that site?

By harassing and smearing every Internet service provider connected to KF in any way, while simultaneously DDoSing the site for days on end, making it impossible for their network to function, and creating technical problems for their providers. Their sheer tenacity was kind of impressive.

And even more who believe in free or at least free-ish speech.

You think so?

When they have come for anyone else previously, most journalists kept their mouths shut, or even celebrated.

.. And meant to add, that there are enough journalists that believe in science, reality, safeguarding and women's rights that a successful attack against MN would not go under the radar.

This.

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KF is back up.

Nah, blue stocking lock in! 🍷

Lmao one of the tweets about that keffals person being “a failed fart actor” wtf?? These people are bizarre. Hope KF gets restored soon, I love reading there.

Mumsnet and KWF are very different. KWF was/is an attack site. They're great for standing up to some very unpleasant individuals that no one else seems able to deal with, and for exposing a certain dangerous social trend. But they're not a nice bunch, and they're apparently known for harassing people 'in real life'. Mumsnet on the other hand represents a huge group of women from different backgrounds and with different interests, and moderation is strict.