Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

Happily brainwashed and joyfully part of the rainbow family! 🏳️‍🌈

McKinnon/Ivy says that lesbians who don't want to have sex with someone with a penis have 'genital hangups'. It would be hard to make the lesbophobia more obvious than in that comment.

This.

You are brainwashed. It's hard to take you seriously.

A lesbian who dates a trans woman is not bisexual and neither is a gay man who dates a trans man. Who are you to police other people's identities?

And that was not the question oldcrone asked, was it?

If they do, they are bisexual, not lesbians.

Honestly, I just think women who cannot see the misogyny are blind.

I've met couples where one is cis, the other trans. I know it might horrify transphobes but there are a lot of people out there who date trans people.

She wrote this:

I think over the last 20 years or so I'd forgotten that being a lesbian and refusing to contemplate intimate relationships with men is the most radical and provocative position a woman can take and one that a lot of straight women have only superficial tolerance of.

It's utterly true. Mumsnet is full of women who express casual lesbophobia, and wider society is, too. Any women swearing off men for any reason are reviled - firstly by men, but of course by straight women, too.

I thank god every day that I am a lesbian - I won the sexuality lottery. But my god, the shit we have to endure. 🙁

So are you saying this comment by male transperson Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy isn't homophobic?

Cool, never seen one. Won't stop me taking my niece and nephew to march again with my football team next year. We had a great time. All families should take their kids to Pride parades, it's always so joyful 🏳️‍🌈

"Can you explain why so many lesbians are supportive of a homophobic misogynistic movement?"

The fact that so many lesbian support and are part of the movement for trans rights should tell you that it is in fact neither homophobic nor misogynistic. I suspect if you knew more lesbians you would know that too.

Here you are. Adult babies at pride.

web.archive.org/web/20190707051212/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48893187

Thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3631413-In-plain-sight

"What kind of nutjobbery have we reached when it's highly progressive to take your kids to a parade to celebrate adult babies".

I simply do not believe you've ever been to a pride parade or party if you think this is what pride is about.

This comes as no surprise to me as the overwhelming majority of lesbians and bisexual women are trans allies.

Can you explain why this is? Gender ideology is misogynistic and it also denies that homosexuality exists. Can you explain why so many lesbians are supportive of a homophobic misogynistic movement?

Not surprising, most transphobes are just homophobes with a new hobby.

So according to you, lesbians are homophobes. What makes you think that?

"Pride has always been about sex and sexuality. It was never for children".

It really doesn't surprise me that transphobes support the return of Section 28. Pride is for people of all ages and children should always been made aware of the existence of LGBT people and culture.

""It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but even more to stand up to your friends." - J.K. Rowling"

Transphobes are not friends of the LGBT community and never have been.

"I'd say 90% of the abuse I received came from women"

This comes as no surprise to me as the overwhelming majority of lesbians and bisexual women are trans allies.

"Pre-Covid one of my friends attended a Women's Place UK meeting where a highly-respected Labour female councillor with a long track record in improving women's rights got up to speak and prefaced her comment with 'I never used to have any time for lesbians but I feel sorry for them now'."

Not surprising, most transphobes are just homophobes with a new hobby.

Even ISIS has a female wing. I’ll never understand it.

I think the conditioning for women to be kind/accommodating/pleasing/put others first/be agreeable is deeply ingrained- in our individual psyche as well as culturally.

I know for myself that I have a growing inner conflict around this as I get older and know myself (and how the world works) better.

I notice that as I become more empowered- I disagree, assert myself, or express unpopular opinions more freely. When I do, often experience a visceral, shame-like response when others react negatively or with surprise to this- and the pull to go 'back into my box' can be so strong!

Part of the fascination of the current debate for me is the admiration and inspiration I feel for the strong, courageous women speaking out; because think they mirror aspects of myself I am struggling to express.

I think because I am becoming more conscious of the unconscious conditioning at play in my own behaviour and feelings, I am able to recognise the courage and power these women are showing. Where some women are not aware of this I think they feel a discomfort, even hatred for these women that they don't understand.

In Jungian psychology, when we are unconscious of the drives that motivate us (eg to be kind), and we reject (unconsciously) our desire/need to be assertive/powerful, for example, these become our 'shadow' traits and we can project these negatively onto others and want to attack them.

I can see this conflict in my self mirrored in society as a whole, and particularly in this current cultural conflict where there are so many women villifying or even attacking other women for being powerful, angry, assertive etc.

For millennia, we know that the archetype of the powerful, challenging, non- confirming woman has been rejected, feared and vilified (the witch). And I have been shocked to realise how much this is still ongoing despite the gains of feminism.

What's happening now has also really highlighted for me how this can be a personal inner drama that plays out as much as a cultural one.

Now as a straight white woman, who knows nothing about Pride, I would've believed that.

I'm finding myself more and more on these boards as i'm so angry what is happening to women and I worry for my DD (I also worry for my DSs being influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate but that's another story and a battle I'm hopefully winning).
Lesbians being turned away from Pride you just couldn't make it up 😡
Where will this all end? I despair.

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It is a falsehood that some people keep repeating. I wonder why people do that when it has been exposed as a lie.

The more often you repeat a lie the more people believe it.

Wouldn't it be nice if the BBC had the skills to create a balanced report first time, instead of rejig an article after everyone's already read it, when others have done the leg work for them of pointing out the problems with the article and the evidence they need to you know, do the journalism they're paid for?

It's like so long as the false info gets out there and spreads around first, it's fine to just pick up the pieces later on the back of other people's efforts to spoonfeed them their information.

What the hell are they still receiving public funding for?

Thanks Stacey, do you have a link, or can say which GC accounts?

BBC has amended their report and is now much clearer and actually informative. Good. Has quote from Get The L Out.