Kemi Badenoch on the Tavistock GIDS

It’s worrying that children/young people’s hospital records are only retained until their 25th/26th birthday (depending on age they were treated)

It's crazy. My records from an Alder Hey clinic were destroyed without my knowledge. I was never offered them, or copies of them, and now in my later years I actually need them because there's a new treatment I might benefit from. So now I'd have to go through another assessment surgery, because the results of the previous surgery have been destroyed.

I would advise any young person or family currently on the 'gender train' (or any treatment train tbh) to grab their records while they can, or at least obtain good quality copies.

Are the old records kept? Or are they destroyed because there is no longer a person attached to that NHS number? Is there a basement somewhere where old NHS records go to die?

This BMA article gives the current record retention rules: www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/ethics/confidentiality-and-health-records/retention-of-health-records

It’s worrying that children/young people’s hospital records are only retained until their 25th/26th birthday (depending on age they were treated) given that many of the issues with fertility, coronary health etc won’t become apparent or pertinent until these kids are in their 30s. 😔

There's a paragraph in the Cass Review Interim Report (p.62):

Social transition – this may not be thought of as an intervention or treatment, because it is not something that happens within health services. However, it is important to view it as an active intervention because it may have significant effects on the child or young person in terms of their psychological functioning.64,65 There are different views on the benefits versus the harms of early social transition. Whatever position one takes, it is important to acknowledge that it is not a neutral act, and better information is needed about outcomes

cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cass-Review-Interim-Report-Final-Web-Accessible.pdf

Quick question on suing the NHS.

How do you get hold of your records to prove you only had one appointment before you got puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones, then had your breasts cut off?

Because at some point in that journey you switch from female to male and get a new NHS number.

Are the old records kept? Or are they destroyed because there is no longer a person attached to that NHS number? Is there a basement somewhere where old NHS records go to die?

And if they aren't destroyed how do you get hold of them? All your ID now says you are someone else so you wouldn't be entitled to the records connected to a person with a different name, a different sex and a different NHS number?

I've got visions of some poor sod currently in a room doing nothing but shedding old NHS files.

Does anyone have links to evidence around social transitioning for children.

I'm thinking about how to start directly challenging this in schools, but it's going to be hard as all advice they've had from children's charities and psycholgists is to affirm.

Oh yes, that's the Newcastle NHS 'gender identity clinic' case - so desperately sad. I believe that the young man has given up his anonymity now. It's a shame if he's fighting this on his own - it must be a lonely place he's in.

Maybe others will start to come forward.

‘I cannot imagine a school currently that would refuse to use preferred pronouns.’

It will change. The change will be slow but it’s coming.

what a fantastic article. KB comes across as a person with genuine moral integrity

So in actual fact neither keira Bell nor any other patient has yet 'sued the Tavistock'. I assume that when they do, it'll be along the lines of a class action.

There is one potential upcoming case:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4575439-what-you-all-said-was-coming

Yes, I was struck by this, too.
Excellent article - thank you for posting it, OP.

Thanks, @Floisme for confirming that.

So in actual fact neither keira Bell nor any other patient has yet 'sued the Tavistock'. I assume that when they do, it'll be along the lines of a class action.

I would the anticipate that the pay-outs will be significant, once the extent of the permanent harms and damage to the bodies and minds of the young people becomes clearer.

Any awards for psychological damage will suggest that schools need to watch their step, too, if they have encouraged 'transition' that has caused long-term harm.

I do admire Kemi Badenoch for finally being the one to shout 'Enough!' But, I'll not forget that all this terrible and pernicious ideology and behaviour really took hold under successive Conservative governments.

“some battles have to be fought and won”

This is also a sentence (like so many) that made me think what a powerhouse of a woman she is. She knows what is going on.
Sunak or Truss, make sure she has a senior role in Cabinet please. Education or Women's rights.

We feel a very long way from challenging social transition.

Psychologists recommend it to schools. The psychology profession is utterly captured by this ideology.

All professionals who work with children teachers, social workers, mental health professionals all assume it's the correct response.

It is so deeply assumed as the right thing to do.
It's so linked to the principles of 'lived experience: and 'young people's voice', and identity being acknowledged and protected.

Im finding it difficult to see how this gets turned around.

I cannot imagine a school currently that would refuse to use preferred pronouns.

Btw my understanding is that Keira Bell brought a judicial review. She didn't 'sue the Tavistock' for money (yet), did she?
That's my understanding too and I think it's an important point.

‘How could the government address these now embedded assumptions?’

They need to let the medical evidence come through that social transition is an active psychological intervention. Then they need to remind teachers that they aren’t psychologists, and they aren’t qualified to decide these matters. They need to continue to use a child’s sex-based pronouns, and although there’s nothing wrong with using a preferred nickname, in anything official the child’s name as registered with the school needs to be used (it’s not illegal for a child to change their name, but that’s not up to teachers).

‘And do we need to?’

Yes.

I would love it if next PM made a new ministry for Anti Woke and put Kemi in charge. Imagine the size of the bonfire she would make.

I'm thinking about what we need government to do about gender ideology in schools?

They could tell schools not to use outside organisations which promote this, they could even ask schools to remove it from the curriculum.

Both important steps. But the involvement of schools and local authorities in supporting this ideology goes so much deeper and happens in soft ways that it's hard to legislate for.

For example most teachers now assume the correct practice is to use young people's preferred pronouns and to refer to them as the opposite sex if they believe they are.
The assumption is that social transition is important and must be supported by everyone.

How could the government address these now embedded assumptions?

And do we need to?

Thank you for the share token link, @InTheCanteen - I was hoping that someone would post it! This is really important.

Btw my understanding is that Keira Bell brought a judicial review. She didn't 'sue the Tavistock' for money (yet), did she? I thought all that was yet to come?

Sorry for all the repeat posts there.

Are mermaids going to be investigated for the role they played? They were listed as one of the Safeguarding concerns brought to Sonia Appleby's attention.

reduxx.info/mermaids-must-fall-next-is-uk-trans-charity-mermaids-to-blame-for-tavistock/

This is a great article from Kemi.

What is going to be done though with regard to these activists and lobbying groups that held so much sway and prevented earlier investigations into what was happening at the Tavistock? How can groups such as SW be allowed to continue to advise public and private organisations?

This is a great article from Kemi.

What is going to be done though with regard to these activists and lobbying groups that held so much sway and prevented earlier investigations into what was happening at the Tavistock? How can groups such as SW be allowed to continue to advise public and private organisations?