Is trans movement now, comparable to LGB movement back in the day?

Cab you expand on that at all?

Yeah. I'm a bit mean. Come at me.

Maybe you are a bit mean? Have you considered that maybe he is right and you are wrong?

I'm tired of hearing the mean comments or the kindness message. Women need protections in law because men are regularly 'not kind' to us. I think back to the way I was treated from the age of twelve and then wonder why the hell any sane person would think that someone who has repeatedly experienced that behaviour at the hands of men would 'be kind' about anything. The sane reaction would be to avoid men as much as possible. And I'm not a rare case - many women experience harassment, assaults and abuse from men.

Women as a sex class are at risk from men as a sex class. We are the vulnerable group. Comparing this for the fight for gay rights is madness. Gay people were/are a marginalised group. Men aren't. The gay rights movement took nothing from straight people. The trans rights movement is extremely harmful to women.

Expecting us to be nice about is exceptionally naive and actually pretty sexist.

I agree with your husband tbh

And me.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rape-crisis-chief-mridul-wadhwa-steps-back-from-bigot-comments-2b9kdvc75

If it comes to it, I am willing to be a bit mean about a male running a Rape Crisis and suggesting women survivors of rape should be educated out of their 'bigotry'.

Are you seriously comparing women objecting to males being in female only prisons, refuges, hospital wards or sports, to people who didn't like seeing gay people on telly?

Come on.....

I would possibly consider tackling the issue from the direction of 'good fences make good neighbours' and the importance of getting informed consent before someone else involves you in their fetish.

e.g. it is perfectly possible for men and women to each rent a room in a shared flat or house and treat each other with kindness and respect. But some women (and indeed some men) prefer same sex house mates in such a situation. But if a trans woman is going into a woman's room and taking her clothes, ejaculating into her best work blouse and then hiding it under her bed the woman will naturally feel revolted and that she no longer wishes to live with the trans woman in question. We need to be able to talk about new etiquette and boundaries and to call out unacceptable behaviour without men constantly assuming that we're saying all trans people are like that or all men are like that.

Not letting women talk honestly about their experiences is the opposite of kind

There was a time when many people would have argued that having a gay person teach their children, or appear on TV, or having to see a same sex couple showing affection in public, impinged on their rights.

Inferences/assertions about shadowy powerful lobby groups trying to undermine traditional, common sense values and beliefs, and trying to ‘convert’ innocent young people. Disproportionate focus on negative cases involving trans people, leading to wider aspersions about the motivations or mental health of trans people more generally.

The LGB movement never claimed that they were "trans straight" and that heterosexual people are "cis straight"

I don't recall gay rights ever impinging on the rights of other people

This is the biggest difference by far.

aseriesofstillimages · Today 22:47
I agree with him. Having been an LGB teenager in the 90s, a lot of the current narratives about trans people strongly remind me of what was being said about LGB people back then. The vast majority of LGB people I know feel the same.

A difference is that LGB people live their lives without encroaching on and threatening women, or trying to change language, or young peoples bodies, or suggesting that someone is in the wrong body, or that someone should be attracted to them on the basis of their gender rather than their sex.

The LGB Alliance wants to separate themselves from T for a reason.

When did the LGB movement advocate for kids to be pumped full of powerful life changing drugs, and for young women to get double mastectomies before they have reached their twenties?

When did the LGB movement demand that women have to allow males into single sex spaces, prisons, refuges, women's sports?

When did the LGB movement demand that everyone redefine words such as 'woman' to include males, or call women 'bodies with vaginas'?

I'll wait........

Which narratives? Could you be more specific?

He just still feels like sometimes the GC fem movement is a bit mean to a marginalised group.

Being mean by pointing out that young gender-distressed people are receiving sub-standard medical care? Being mean by asking that these young people be properly assessed for comorbidities before irreversible treatment is started? Being mean by pointing out that the treatments are irreversible and are known to cause lifelong damage, so should be a last resort and not a first resort? Being mean by asking for the same standard of evidence-based care that is used across the NHS to be applied to this 'marginalised group'?

I agree with him. Having been an LGB teenager in the 90s, a lot of the current narratives about trans people strongly remind me of what was being said about LGB people back then. The vast majority of LGB people I know feel the same.

This thread is fascinating and extremely detailed. I haven’t sat down to read it all yet, but there is a huge amount of information here.
The Trans Umbrella Is Older Than You Think | Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4281733-The-Trans-Umbrella-Is-Older-Than-You-Think?page=2
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4281733-The-Trans-Umbrella-Is-Older-Than-You-Think?page=2&reply=118807676

Also, if you look up the LGB Alliance that might help.

He just still feels like sometimes the GC fem movement is a bit mean to a marginalised group.

2 things then - in what way in our current culture are trans people marginalised? Is it not the most liberal culture we have EVER lived in?

The second thing is what does "genuine gender dysphoria" mean? It is fine that people present in which ever way they want (within the bounds of public decency). Fill your boots. Everyone should be treated with respect. But does everyone have to lie in order to support. I don't just mean be polite. I mean do we have to speak untruth. How is that helpful to anyone? Not least the gender dysphoric person?

I have had this on my timeline today - the most marginalised and vulnerable people anywhere. It is a lie. You only have to look at the people fleeing Ukraine for example and other refugees. GC feminisists are not a bit mean. We are realists.

Ahh, so he thinks that women are service humans who should be mummy for everyone.

I think he finds it hard to distinguish between AGPs and people with actual real gender dysphoria.

Doesn't make any difference. Males have no right to colonise women's spaces, not matter how unhappy they are.

Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology