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Not sure about this

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FrankReynolds · 08/07/2022 20:46

I've always been very pro-trans and pro-equality and considered myself an ally to people of all flavours. I thought that being a feminist and being pro-trans didn't have to be mutually exclusive and I was uncomfortable with any views that are considered "TERF"

But

I've just seen this post on Insta and it's making me question a lot of what I believe in that area. As a queer person (married to a bloke but not straight), it's something I've been wrestling with. Can anyone shed some light on the issue? And why this particular post has made me so uncomfortable and conflicted?

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DuesToTheDirt · 08/07/2022 21:13

I have no idea what they are trying to say. "decoupling pregnancy from feminity" ??? I've been pregnant and am (obviously) female, but I've never in my life considered myself to be feminine.

DisforDarkChocolate · 08/07/2022 21:04

It's a load of cis-bollocks.

Pregnancy isn't feminine it bloody and painful and risky.

Pregnancy should make all woman realise they need to be feminists, it's the very act that demonstrates the impact of our sex on choice, career, security, bodily autonomy and our body.

LaughingPriest · 08/07/2022 21:03

I would have assumed by 'femininity' they mean cultural femininity, but I think they have mistakenly or dishonestly conflated it with 'being female'. I know in medical language 'feminine' can mean 'pertaining to the female body' but I think they should have clarified.

Any woman should be able to refuse motherhood for whatever reason they want.
It has nothing to do with 'being a woman' or 'being feminine'. They seem not to really know what they mean, or realise that feminists have been saying this for donkeys' years.

Sunflower987 · 08/07/2022 21:00

I would say you are having a moment of clarity and having your eyes opened.

It happened to me too..

RoseslnTheHospital · 08/07/2022 21:00

It's a load of assertions without any argument for a start. And it's the wrong way around as others have said. It encapsulates what the problem is with expressing anything meaningful on Twitter.

LeniGray · 08/07/2022 21:00

It reads like something that’s designed to make you feel discombobulated.

WildIris · 08/07/2022 21:00

This thread is a good start OP.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?page=35

Covidagainandagain · 08/07/2022 20:59

It seems to imply that I couldn't, for example, refused motherhood if I was feminine without refusing my womanhood

Which is a whole lot of word salad that means fuck all

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 08/07/2022 20:59

well, it’s pure bollocks isn’t it?

maybe your soul has finally rebelled against the absolute hailstorm of moronic bollocks you’ve been subjected to as a “trans ally.”

anyway, “mother” has never been part of the definition of “woman”. “Woman” is part of the definition of “mother.” This person needs to shut up and study Venn Diagrams intensely for several years until they’ve grasped the concept.

achillestoes · 08/07/2022 20:58

In other words, they are not trying to decouple femininity from pregnancy. They are trying to decouple pregnancy from womanhood.

achillestoes · 08/07/2022 20:54

Because it’s backwards. Womanhood is decoupled from femininity, but pregnancy isn’t about femininity, it’s about womanhood. Yet it is a facet of womanhood, not the whole shebang. Women who can’t become pregnant are women. Women who aren’t feminine are women. There are no women who aren’t female.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 08/07/2022 20:53

Or we could all stop tying ourselves up in knots, assigning labels of ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ and accept that biological women should be able to live as they see fit and biological males should be able to do the same. No one needs to be categorised into abstract boxes.