Helen Joyce/Helen Staniland "Trans Elimination" video

I've just seen this too, it was indeed "chilling" to watch.

I think it is plain that the clip on twitter was cut where it was to remove the context.

Medical transitioning does damage bodies. I ask any poster to show us proof that medical transitioning doesn’t damage bodies. Even Dr Cass states social transitioning is not ‘nuetral’ and it can be surmised that it may also be ‘damaging’ to children and teens.

And is it a sane society that allows these treatments that are unevidenced to be used for something that is certainly not a rare incident but is a rapidly growing issue amongst young females in particular, who have not been adequately researched.

At adult level, is it sane to have the IOC decide that now any male who identifies as a woman can compete as a female, even without any treatment if the sporting body decides that is fine by them? How is that not an issue for ‘sane society’ to deal with.

Yes, blunt language was used.

If you listen to the full section where it is discussed, including the bit about the two Dutch specialists on Stella O’Malley’s podcast, you can see the points she was making.

I don't know about everyone being damaged because the trans umbrella is made up of distinct groups of people who really have little in common other than the label.

I agree. They were clearly talking about people who had transitioned as children and significantly altered their bodies. It's transactivists who have confused the issue here.

I don't know about everyone being damaged because the trans umbrella is made up of distinct groups of people who really have little in common other than the label.

Toddlers who show a liking for a type of toy or clothing and are pronounced trans by parents have nothing in common with men who transition age 50 (as much as the activists would like to say they do).

Teen girls and young women I would say are again distinct from the above two groups in their reasons for identification.

There's an argument to be made that 50 year old men can do as they want as long as it infringes on nobody else (which regrettably it currently is!).

However I don't think a sane world should endorse trans toddlers or cheer on the amount of radical mastectomies young girls and women are having because that is going to lead to a lot of sadness and regret some of which we are seeing increasingly now.

Turning lots of healthy individuals into life long medical patients because of a belief is a societal problem because there's no guarantee that care pathway will always exist or remain free and it comes with a lot of complications as standard.

And by the way, have you watched the full version, or just the edited version?

You might like to join this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4562095-so-disgusted-tonight

I agree some of the subtlety is getting lost.

I agree that the social contagion type of impact we seem to be seeing among young women and girls particularly is something that needs to be dealt with before we have a large number go through medication and surgery.

Similarly, dealing with the type of man who would use the relaxation of any rules and laws to accommodate transsexual people to predate on women needs to be dealt with.

I agree with them in all that, but I agree with you that among this some of those on the GC "side" are losing sight of the fact that for some people they have a genuine and strong gender dysphoria that will be helped by transition and treatment, and the issue is other using their challenges to further a damaging agenda.

We have to separate this out and not deal in broad brushstrokes.