Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

definitely. I believe they usually are .....

They'll be back in the style of Arnie

I can only assume since we have had no sign of SeldomHere, that they will be now ‘NeverHereAgain’.

As I missed the final posts, did they follow a quickly escalated flame out pattern?

Perhaps it was a slow weekend somewhere.

There really is no need to patronise me.
Of course I know what the both the word and the phrase mean.
So why are you saying it's confrontational? It's not.

No, not at all. It is a neutral, descriptive term. The reason I asked is because of this, the meaning is not confrontational,.

Ha. I used to ride a suspected rig. (At best gelded way, way too late). I don’t think that the lovely grey thoroughbred mare on the next farm over was a social construct to him.

More of a constant challenge in escapology.

Gender questioning makes it sound like we are questioning our own gender though. (I thought 'questioning' was one of the letters in the LGBT+ if you wrote it in full rather than using +)
Gender critical means we are critical of the whole concept/stereotypes.

A subtle difference.

A bit like the difference between atheist and agnostic.

People aren't calling themselves 'The critical thinking about gender group'. They are using the term Gender Critical. This appears confrontational. Surely you see that?

I don't think it's confrontational. It is, however, taking an actual position which 'critical thinking about gender' is not. I would hope that people on both sides of a debate can do 'critical thinking about gender' whether or not their starting position is that sometimes sex is relevant and not gender.

There really is no need to patronise me.
Of course I know what the both the word and the phrase mean.
People aren't calling themselves 'The critical thinking about gender group'. They are using the term Gender Critical. This appears confrontational. Surely you see that?

Are you maybe not clear on what critical means? What about the phrase critical thinking?

It doesn’t mean disparaging, or attacking.

There was a thread about this recently: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548447-gc-is-a-slur

But there appear to be thousands upon thousands of school aged children involved who probably are totally confused and would welcome discussion rather then people being 'critical'. We don't need to fight fire with fire, surely that will just alienate the young people who are the most vulnerable to this whole debacle?

When the other side literally has men calling themselves women I don’t think calling on one side to restrict themselves to “non emotive” language is reasonable.

Is there a reason why the people who wish to debate the newly thought up gender ideology needs to be called GC? Could we not be GQ - gender questioning? So we then put ourselves into an arena of debate ràther than confrontation? 'Critical' is very emotive...

Correct Pronouns are bound to come up in the Parliamentary recognition of nonbinary debate today at 4.30. So prepare yourselves as we see what MPs think about this. Please post gender critical takes on the meaning of nonbinary on twitter while the debate is on. Few people have started.

Hashtag is
#NonBinaryRecognitionDebate

You can watch live here. Going to be surreal as the Commons turns into Tumblr:
committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/news/166136/legal-recognition-of-nonbinary-gender-identities-to-be-debated-by-mps/

Between heavy make-up, airbrushing and filters I don't trust photographs of anybody to represent what they truly look like anymore. The clues we get about sex don't just come from the face though. Hips, hands, feet, movement/gait, voice ... all of these give us information also.

Let’s see them walk, hear them talk. Giving a poor quality picture is so dishonest; which you know.

Men do not “pass” in the real world.

Oh, I know this one. It’s because trans women are men. Men with a psychological condition, gender dysphoria.

Have you read up on the condition in the DSM? It explains it.

I suspect that 'biology can be altered' is the new mantra along the lines of TWAW and no debate.

Oh yes, we have seen it argued that about 3/5's of sex characteristics can be changed.... ergo should be enough to be considered a 'biological' sex change. And also the play on 'biological' rather than mechanical. So some people say of course they are 'biological' women as they are not robots??

The attempt of twisting of material reality goes on and on.

Are you at some point going to try to move beyond argument by assertion, and onto explaining why someone should view a transwoman as a woman?

What are you saying makes a transwoman a woman, and why are those wrong who say it’s clearly a man?

I suspect that 'biology can be altered' is the new mantra along the lines of TWAW and no debate.

A nonsense statement which can be repeated ad infinitum against all evidence reason and sense.

There was a "biology can be altered" poster on some of the Times comments sections recently. So tedious and so wrong.

Voice is a big part of it too. Easy to overlook for the Extremely Online. I saw Laverne Cox in a TV programme recently, and it was the voice that almost immediately clued me in. I hadn't been paying much attention to the TV and then I realised there was a strangely deep voice coming out of this new female character, and then I took a closer look and realised she was also towering over the others and so on. It's especially striking on podcasts or radio, when "Mary Smith" is introduced and starts speaking in what sounds 100% like a man's voice.

Anyone find it tedious that posters will post pictures of young people who may have the benefit of puberty blockers as a 'you can't always tell' gotcha.

To be clear Seldom how about you post up some images of transitioned males who are over 60+ for instance?

Or even over 50?

Why not?

Funny how Seldom can't be courteous and keeps on getting deleted while accusing us of being the baddies. 😂

I can't ALWAYS tell from photos. In real life, it is easier but it doesn't really matter does it? Sex isn't about appearance. I expect trans people to follow rules just like everyone else- are you saying they can't? Pretty offensive to trans people.