Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

I'm sure AB has put her witness statement in the public domain and, as she's a barrister, I imagine that's legal. So we can comment. Yet I am nervous, as I said last night. Shocking really.

DoM, have you read Allison's witness statement? All 167 pages of it? I and many of us here have. No place of business should behave as Garden Court did.

Before this trans shit show my image of Chambers was positively Rumpolian (Rumpole of the Bailey - just noticed the link with Allison's name 😀). Now it's closer to The Torture House in Budapest, with its secret listening devices and concealed rooms. (Not suggesting physical torture went in at GCC, though it seems mental torture did).

I wonder what all this will do for their business?

This is what you'd like to think but it's not true.

I used to be kind and compassionate but I've had it to the back teeth with this homophobic ideology now and I won't stand for it.

I think Stonewall is a lost cause. The trust has gone and I doubt I could ever believe that they represent my rights or my needs as a same sex attracted person anymore. But we have our own organisations now and will continue to champion causes and people that represent us.

You might try to mock, belittle or even envy and mimic us, but you'll never be as strong and resilient as we are.

But come on, show us your evidence. What reason do you have for thinking it's all going badly for Allison?

Or don’t, because it won’t be anything other than the usual DARVO-fuelled hyperbolic claptrap we’ve heard a thousand times before.

I think she's peaking many more people and making people like me brave enough to speak out. Enough is enough now and your time has come.

The public aren't interested, the single articles the Times/Telegraph/DM have posted are just preaching to the choir for clicks at this stage.

The Daily Mail didn't mention the "Respect My Sex" campaign after 25/4 in the run up to the elections as it didn't gain enough traction IRL.

Even GB News and Talkradio have moved on from "What Is A Woman?" clickbait now.

@Crazylazydayz his name is in the public domain. Everything I've posted is in the public domain already.

What reason do you have for thinking it's all going badly for Allison?

Reason not the need for DoM's assertions, if I can be allowed to misuse Shakespeare for the moment.

The value of documents in the public domain is that they can be leveraged by people contacting their HR. HR and company legal might pause to consider just how captured they are and just how the general public might perceive their lack of due diligence.

The public might not perceive AB's colleagues as brave Social Justice Warriors striking a blow against the privilege of black lesbian feminists with a background of surviving CSA, they might have a very different view. Mr Justice Julian Knowles (of Harry Miller v College of Policing) expressed it in a way that still stands for something for so many of the public:

“In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.”

Especially in the case of AB's roommate, I think that the public might wonder why the restrictions on sneaking and tale-telling that had doubtless been drummed into DR from an early age, as he moved from Eton and Oxford into the Bar, somehow fell away, when the object of it was AB rather than somebody who more resembled himself in type and life history.

Ha! You wish.

I think she's peaking many more people and making people like me brave enough to speak out. Enough is enough now and your time has come.

Yeah, Disgusting is quite right.

All those men talking behind her back, all those women having one conversation to her face and another via email, the Wall etc.

Not one of them is in anyway connected to any other organisation anywhere. No overlaps in friendships, committees, paid for or pro bono work, no work, Wall or private communications, no payments, no projects, nothing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at all.

Except for a bundle of papers, that still doesn't fully comply with the law and has been so badly paginated by a shit hot expert on trans issues it is nigh on useless.

The last thing AB has is any evidence whatsoever that being GC caused any ructions in her place of work ever. Or that anyone anywhere ever thought I'll of her. Even the bloke who shared an office thought she was a jolly good sort.

FFS! Even for you @Disgusting that's really lame.

You're sounding a wee bit desperate (and a bit adolescent) there, Disgusted. But come on, show us your evidence. What reason do you have for thinking it's all going badly for Allison?

As far as I'm concerned just getting those witness statements out there, evidencing how ideologically fixated and prejudiced these clever people are, is a huge win. I imagine lots of companies and soliticitors will be giving GCC a swerve for the foreseeable future.

Following this tribunal has reinforced the cultish idelogy GCs have. Bailey has just kept repeating how Stonewall have tried toget her fired with absolutely no evidence other than paranoid rants. I think someone should intervene soon because this is not going well for her.

Ah, yes. Eton and Oxford and 20 books on anti-fascism and then he takes down a black lesbian because he doesn't like what she has to say. He and Stephen Lue both betrayed her shockingly.

It's not on the same level, but I have lesbian friends going back decades who've turned against me over this issue. It shouldn't hurt as much as it does — after all, they've turned to the wrong side of history and revealed themselves as people who didn't deserve my friendship in the first place — but it does.

Sorry, posted too soon, as in they talk the talk at GC but scratch of the flimsy veneer of social justice and it’s the same as it ever was in these professions.

I think this is the exact point Allison was making when she had an exchange with a white male Oxford educated barrister about the high value fraud cases in GC going to, well, oxbridge educated males.

Please be careful, this is an ongoing case and there was a lot of discussion about redacting names etc. to prevent individuals receiving unpleasant targeting on SM etc.

My concern is that this could adversely impact Alison’s case because of inappropriate SM posts by her supporters.

I've seen this a lot in recent years. It stands to reason that in a true meritocracy there will be less room at the top for men from very privileged backgrounds. There's a raft of middle-aged men (including some notable - well, at least on Twitter - barristers) who aim to survive the cull by either claiming to have some kind of (completely unverifiable) special identity, or by claiming (through the most specious arguments imaginable) that their upbringing was in some way deprived, or they become the most massive pain-in-the-arse messianic social justice warrior going. (Look, I feel the pain of the little people, so for god's sake don't make me have to be one of them.) Some do a combination of the three. Denouncing people seems to be the surest way of camouflaging one's privilege in identity culture.

Oh my god the irony. I don't know what to say.

Protection of free speech. Now how exactly does that square with reporting your room mate's phone conversations to management 🤔?

You've got to hand it to GCC - they are really on the ball with diversity. Admittedly, Renton is Eton & Oxford but that sideline with the SWP must have made all the difference. He probably claims to be working class. While Allison's only a black working class lesbian who struggled through state school, then had several jobs to support herself while she studied to become a barrister. And who's the one they want rid of?

Never changes, does it?

‘Eton and Oxford and then the Socialist Workers Party. That well worn pathway.’

😂

Eton and Oxford and then the Socialist Workers Party. That well worn pathway.

Oh the irony.

Source Wikipedia

"David Renton (born 1972) is a British barrister, and has represented clients in a number of high-profile cases, especially concerning trade union rights and the protection of free speech. He was for many years a member of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP). He has published over twenty books on fascism, anti-fascism, and the politics of the left."

@twistingmylemon his initials are DR. They shared an office. I don't see why I shouldn't name him properly as AB's witness statement is in the public domain. But I still feel nervous about doing so

Looks like Mumsnet has compressed the images but it's David Renton

It's in the public domain

It’s very similar to how people behaved under both fascist and communist regimes: certain (perfectly ordinary) things are suddenly designated as unacceptable, and some people buy into that and they inform on other people.

I missed this bit, is anyone allowed to say the initials of the barrister who did this?