Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

"IO: Re Mr Drummond -
AB: Is it Miss Drummond?
IO: Ms Drummond perhaps"

What is it about these tribunals & T side's QCs not being able to avoid 'misgendering'? This happened in Maya's case too, didn't it?

It's almost as though the forced message hasn't sunk in for some.

I spotted two Joanna Cherrys this morning. Half these names are probably fake.

I see Robert Galbraith is in the chat.

'I mean, this morning I was called a supporter of genocide because I said it's better for women to have single sex spaces.'

Do you know, I'd rather be accused of 'genocide' (because it's obviously so bloody ludicrous) than have to listen to the 'So-called feminists not wanting to include ALL women' nonsense bollocks-speak brigade again.

So many on the SW side are rarely circumspect, I think because they feel so very justified and on the right side of history that they can't fathom what they're saying to be ever viewed otherwise.

I mean, this morning I was called a supporter of genocide because I said it's better for women to have single sex spaces...you would only say that if you were furiously, frothingly, convinced of your righteousness.

I'm only 30 pages into Alison's witness statement, and if they don't make a film out of this, I'll be gutted.

The amount of adversity that woman has had to overcome is phenomenal.

She's bloody nails.

Did IO just correctly sex Alex Drummond?

Mr Drummond. Every bloody time.

I once worked in an environment having a strong focus on litigation in the US and there was an ebb and flow between "write nothing down! only discuss over the phone!" and "shit, we don't know what we decided to do and why we decided to do it". That cycle just went round and round again.

Shit! Mr Drummond! 😂😂😂

The names and the chat are really shameful. I've just noticed someone who's chosen to call themselves Tanya Iterfalldaylong. I've no idea whether that's some adolescent GC person or a TRA seeking to bring GC people into disrepute, but it's disrespectful and they need to cease and desist.

I had hoped that Sally Wainright was the Sally Wainright and I was hoping that she would soon be writing Bailey, an everyday drama of a black lesbian radfem lawyer facing discrimination in her own chambers, but having seen the chat I suspect not. That saddens me.

Both the judge and AB have said that straightforward pronoun declaration is not objectionable, but I'd expect the judge to think that goady pronouns like clown/clownself are objectionable.

Well, quite, this is the shocking thing. Discrimination is difficult to prove if it's all off the record. However in this case it wasn't all off the record, it was in writing.

If they feel so unassailable that they'll do this to an actual barrister what chance do women who aren't barristers have to retain their rights as human beings? Surely they won't let us 'get away with this' (having opinions different to theirs).

They're a legal chambers. Allison had already said that she considered their formal tweets about her defamatory before they began their formal investigation. You'd really think that they would have been more circumspect with their personal communications in the light of that. As some of them are arguably inappropriate and dismissive about people who wrote to them and about AB herself, and obviously Brewer with her close trans lobby connections (TELI etc) might be considered as a member of the organisation with the potential to be looked at in any case of ill treatment by GCC, requiring disclosure.

The chat is embarrassing .. they should sling them out .. using it like Facebook chat. I'm finding the case easier to follow today, I think reading Allison's witness statement helped. Allison is so impressive.

'It's almost too perfectly Handmaid's Tale isn't it, with all this talk of 'The Wall' being somewhere a woman can be punished for her thoughts.'

It's doubly ironic. They probably used it as a reference to Atwood (because in the novel they sent gender non-conforming and gay people to the Wall), but didn't (or didn't quickly) realise that they had become the Sons of Jacob.

clown/clownself is silly but the display of pronouns is a gender dogwhistle (to use their terminology).

They're friends again now. That's a relief, I don't like to see tension between people.

Can the judge (virtually) throw them out?

It's both, what's she/her/them about?

Is it purposeful to try and shut down public access to viewing the case?

True, the most persistent chatter at the moment is: NoTa (clown/clownself).

It's almost too perfectly Handmaid's Tale isn't it, with all this talk of 'The Wall' being somewhere a woman can be punished for her thoughts.

Is it not just possible to turn the chat off. That must be possible, surely?