Legal recognition of non-binary gender identities to be debated by MPs

Thanks Magnolia I found the new thread and rewrote my post.

We just discussed on this thread!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555182-non-binary-debate-in-westminster

The outcome was - I think - to confirm that they've 'debated' the subject.

I would disagree, tbh.

I just watched it though I missed the beginning as my you tube flicked me over to the debate on hedgehogs!
Does anyone know all the names of the ones who spoke against the petition I would like to send them a thank you.
What the hell was Anneliese Dodds going on about people with difference if sexual development for? She also kept going on about respect.

I just can't see how non binary people lived experience is one of intolerance and discrimination. And what about all the other 100 plus genders does this open the door to those?

A lot of conflation of sex and gender by the Scottish MP and Dodds even though she said she was very clear.

Looking forward to the transcript. How long do they usually take this is the first debate I watched.

Also what was the outcome, the chair said the eyes have it but I didn't hear anyone vote?

Hey the nonbinary debate is today at 4.30 and there are people trying to get it trending on twitter so gender crits get to put out the reality about what nonbinary really means while the debate is on. Of course debating gender terms is exactly what we want and the opposition doesn't so this is a bit of an own goal.

#NonBinaryRecognitionDebate

You can watch here:
committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/news/166136/legal-recognition-of-nonbinary-gender-identities-to-be-debated-by-mps/

What is the etiquette when suggesting to our MPs that they attend the debate? Is it the done thing to point out our personal views?

Oh it's Mike Freer MP responding for the Government not Kemi. Oh well.

Excellent. Will be entertaining if nothing else.

"Some, but not all, non-binary people undergo medical procedures to make their bodies more congruent with their gender identity. While not all non-binary people need medical care to live a fulfilling life, it’s critical and even life-saving for many."

WTF does this mean? If you don't identify with any 'gender' then how the fuck does it matter what your body is like? The logic is just totally absent. Or do they mean 'null' surgery?

I honestly think we should write to all our MPs and encourage them to attend and participate so that

1 They all make tits of themselves, or actually show some mettle

2 They have no excuse further down the line to say that they didn't know all this fucking crap was happening

3 Their words are immortalised in Hansard

4 We get to watch the fall-out on Twitter

Laurie Penny announced on Twitter yesterday that she identifies as non binary and as a woman.

Didn't LP also recently say that she/they's neither "trans" OR "cis". I thought the rule was if you aren't "trans" you are automatically "cis". Why does she/they get to opt out?

Oh I do hope so. KB is brilliant on this issue.

Unbelievable. When is someone going to call time on this bullshit. I am willing to bet he wasn’t being either gender neutral or in female mode when he sexually assaulted that poor woman. Time for crimes of physical assault to be charged and dealt with according to the crime as it was committed, not according to someone’s get out of jail free fantasy. And changing your identity should not be used as a means to hide your criminal past.

Yes, but it's going to wonderful for the tantrums.

Whose MP bothers to turn up or not? TANTRUM

Did your MP say the magic words or not? TANTRUM

Was your MP's performance reflective of The Training? TANTRUM

From linked article upthread about being accepting of non binary.
"Some, but not all, non-binary people undergo medical procedures to make their bodies more congruent with their gender identity. While not all non-binary people need medical care to live a fulfilling life, it’s critical and even life-saving for many."

And we all know those non binary people are female.
Non binary is a way for straight people to join the LGB and TQxyz.
Non binary is a way for men to violate women's single sex spaces.
Non binary is about conforming to stereotypes as opposed to smashing them.

Non binary is the kids tantrum of all gender identities. I'm not she! or he! Stop offending me! Jumps up and down! Let me access everything! Or nothing, because it's not tailored to meee!

Srsly, 'recognising' NB as a real thing is like enshrining law for punks or goths. NB as a status is no more real than the tooth fairy. According to the definition, most people are non-binary because most people don't neatly fit gender stereotypes.

The NBs are uncomfortable with themselves, like most young people and many adults and I don't see why the state should indulge this. If you called yourself a non-binary man, or non-binary woman, go ahead, that makes more sense and it's a more reality based way of stating your personality which is essentially all NB means, I e. I'm male but not your typical male.

Petition debates are a fairly recent invention and token gesture politics... they are almost always very badly attended and go absolutely nowhere. I'm quite sure this one will be the same.

Slightly concerning as I understand there are countries where this tosh has been legally recognised despite it making zero sense. I had hope that nonbinary status would be potentially freeing for young people but focusing on its legal recognition is absolutely the wrong route. Like wanting a doctor's note to declare yourself an artist.

Thinking about comparable facts of personal status, I don't in fact know, can an individual declare themselves stateless, if a state says that in fact they have a citizenship?

It's part of the democratic process. Any petition which gets more than 100,000 signatures will be debated.

I have written to my MP and asked them to attend. I have also mentioned CN and CB negative reflection of the party's values too, with their extreme views being publicly stated at every opportunity.
Perhaps internal ructions will start some whip involvement!

Speechless. When I think I've heard it all and then read about this vile man who's not a man and his crimes could have been recorded as a woman. Whereabouts of his prison unknown FFS!

If a parliamentary petition gets over 100000 signatures then it is considered for a Westminster Hall debate by the petitions committee.

A government minister, usually junior, is chosen to respond. MPs do not have to turn up and they are usually not very well attended, only being of interest to those who have a particular position on the issue being debated. These debates do not take place in the Commons chamber, but in Westminster Hall.

These debates are all broadcast live on Parliament TV online.

I hope they go into great detail about all the many variations of "non binary" gender identity.

At last ! I know there is a lot of concern about this - but for some, like me this is soooo freeing. I hope to God that this time next year, my gender will be recognised by all instead of mocked as it is today:

Susgender

Perhaps my darling other half might be able to hold their head high too and come out as:

Aromagender: Perfumic

I so look forward to having everyone at work and pass on the street be told about our truth. I plan to get the official flag for susgender and will be putting them up all over my office. Let those who suggest it is a made up gender or that perhaps my giant flag not be appropriate for the office live in fear of the law.

Warning: there article below gives a graphic description of sexual assault on a woman incapable of giving consent.

reduxx.info/gender-neutral-sex-offender-appeals-sentence-after-assault-of-woman/

Of course he does. The second lst paragraph shows the stupidity of this whole gender bullcrap.

Where's the information please on how to be respectful and supportive to female people?

Just wondering.