Panel on TW in sport. Guess who they've forgotten to include?

"Forgotten to include"?! That's a charitable interpretation...

Jon Pike wrote on Twitter that the recommendations this manel has (already apparently possible to figure out) are to either tolerate the extra male advantage or to regard it as if it was just that specific trans woman's own personal advantage.

He also points out that the people to do that tolerating and regarding are the female sex. Which has no representatives on that panel (manel).

Blair Hamilton claiming to be a Dr and choosing a pic in what can at most be an MA cap and gown is pretty dodgy, given he's a 2nd year PhD student.

I wonder why they did not decide that transwomen athletes would need to reduce their testosterone levels to the same as those permitted in female athletes? Is that because its pretty much completely impossible for a man to do this?

Could a female athlete dope herself up with testosterone to a similar level, and then claim to be a transwoman? After all, what truly IS a transwoman?

Manel not Manuel!

Men meet to decide if men can be allowed in women's sport. I'm sure this Manuel will get the answer they want. Seriously they couldn't find any women?

Even small and blurry, you can still tell they are all men, all of them.

I hope Caroline Criado Perez sends them a copy of Invisible Women.

They could ask Verity Smith, Stonewall's sports representative. Obvious choice - a transman who played in female rugby teams, is now I believe disabled following an injury - I think injured playing in women's rugby though I don't know that for sure. 100% pro playing sport by gender. Which is why I think they're just cluelessly offensive rather than deliberately creating a manel.

The MN upgrade has made looking at images totally fucking shit

Well if it identifies as an upgrade ...

Wasn't there a woman who recently wrote a long thread of tweets advocating for tw in women's sport? If she's eligible, bet they pick her.

They keep on about inclusiveness when what is needed is representativeness.

Biological women are 51% of the population and they are entirely missing from that panel. Also, every single person on that panel advocates inclusion of transgender women in female elite sports.

So the panel is not representative of either the people affected by the issue or the sides taken about the issue.

Whenever I now see 'inclusive' in text I get a slight taste of vomit in my mouth because that word almost always now means that my concerns and me will be excluded in the name of some greater good. Besides, the term has become meaningless as it is almost never applied to anything that is predominantly male in the society, only to things which used to be seen as predominantly female.

Yannis Pitsiladis was a member of the IOC committee that decided that allowing male athletes who identify as women into the female category was fair , if they reduced their testosterone to a level 10 times higher than the average female athlete. So much for fairness !!!!

Their response tweet is truly hilarious:
mobile.twitter.com/basem_uk/status/1517092721273585664

A piece about Blair Hamilton which proves they are coming to this blind and not the least biased
www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportbible.com/football/trans-goalkeeper-blair-hamilton-gets-called-up-by-england-universities-20220414.amp.html

Oh gosh that’s priceless. I squinted at the photos as they are small in the new look MN and so just read that as a load of men. I had to enlarge it to realise one was not identifying as a man - funny how the photo misled me, eh?

Quotation from Blair Hamilton: “Being male-born, the general argument which I’m trying to disprove in my research is that trans women have an advantage and that you’re taking a place away from a girl”.

Perhaps this person will eventually re-discover what science already knows - it is impossible to change sex.

A "male-born" person stays male for his whole life. Assuming a limited number of participants in a sporting event (which seems to be the overwhelming usual sporting situation apart from some fun-run type events of thousands of people), a male person is definitely taking a place away from a woman or girl, even if the male person is not faster or stronger. The male person should be excluded from female sport whether the male person has a physical advantage or not. The male person should lose a place in a female sport event in favour of a female person (even if the female person is slower or weaker than the male person) because female sport is supposed to be for female people, not for male people. Male people should do sport elsewhere.

It's a myth that transgender people are barred from sport. The actual situation is very different - opponents of transgenderism ideology want to bar male people from female sport.

Tying transgender and DSD together too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4534489-british-assoc-of-sports-exercise-medicine

It's all bollocks, isn't it 😀

So not a discussion but the 'echo chamber' we're continually scolded about?

Ok, no probs. Lets sit Posie, Katie, Maya, Allison, JKR and Sharron in a studio somewhere, hand them Italian food and let them discuss it for balance. After which they can inform the male sex of their decision.

(Let the spitting of dummies begin at the mere thought.)

Oh FFS. Do they not even hesitate for a second when they see the panel they're on?

I know this point has already been made but I find it extraordinary that anyone with such a shaky grasp of the principles of research might have got funding (public funding even?) for a Phd.

Aparently all the manelists also hold the same opinion around inclusion in sport too.

so… a manel set up to convince others to ignore the evidence and be nice!

“Being male-born, the general argument which I’m trying to disprove in my research is that trans women have an advantage and that you’re taking a place away from a girl,”

'having a vested interest, the general argument which I'm trying to disprove in my research is that I have a vested interest'