Fair Play for women have got the conversion therapy consultation extended

In the comments to Kearns article:

Trans people commit suicide at a rate of around 70%.

I don't think this has been posted anywhere

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2021/12/alicia-kearns-lets-interrogate-the-attacks-on-the-conversion-therapy-ban.html

(Hat tip to DH who is a real politics geek and reads all sorts of stuff. I have noticed that it takes a debate to turn up in his Twitter feed for him to take notice of my ranting. It can't be an issue if it is just on MN or in the DM.)

The comments are a good mix. I don't agree with the author (obviously) but glad to see open debate.

Also interesting, though off topic, is the generational thing. Kearns (34) authored another article with Nicola Richards MP (26) in August calling for the reform of the GRA. Both apparently are strong supporters of Transgender Rights. I suspect that this split within the Tories is typical, as it is elsewhere. Conservative voters tend to be older, so less incentive for senior politicians to kowtow to the young.

And all of them will be handwavey bollocks.

How do you even explain “gender identity” in plain English? Ask 5 TRAs what it is and you’ll get twelve answers.

Thank you Clymene and Hadrosaurus had not seen that background on the Easy Read version of the consultation. Right so they fucked it up once and then they just sort of left it…. ?!
WTF…?

Maybe (as Times comment poster also suggested) because they’re finding it’s completely impossible in non- hand wavey non-complicating non- obscuring facts language to actually explain these issues in a way that doesn’t use sleight of hand on normal everyday language use? Which clear explanations would rely on..

I am in awe of dr nic. She takes competence and strategic thinking to a new level without any fuss or grandstanding.

Great work dr nic

Let's hope for the long grass then!! The whole basis of this consultation is so flawed - in order to get our comments read, we are having to tick the 'slightly agree' box, regarding the entire bill.

Whereas what we would like to say, is 'no' to the entire bill. Because the devil will be in the detail - even if a vanilla 'gay conversion' bill were to be passed by gvmt, in drafting, 'gender' might get slipped in.

But well done to Fair Play For Women, of course.

Clymene

"Any indication that extending the deadline indicates willingness to actually listen to peoples concerns?"

Yes, it does suggest they are listening (and think they might have lost any legal challenge).

I suspect that this proposal will be kicked into the long grass post consultation. The more of us respond to it (I already have) to point out its flaws, the more likely this is.

[quote Clymene]There was an Easy Read version @ChattyLion. It was swiftly withdrawn when eagle eyed reviewers noticed it misrepresented the government's proposal according to this article

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10285677/Parents-backlash-set-brakes-new-gender-law-amid-fears-families-prosecuted.html[/quote]
Easy Read versions have form on being non-neutral on this topic. E.g.:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4324416-Welsh-Government-Transgender-people-are-people-who-are-born-as-one-sex-but-are-the-other-sex

The wording of that quote was quite telling. I think she probably said "necessary" between gritted teeth.

I'm always so impressed with FPFW. They don't shout much but just get on with what needs to be done. Well done and thanks.

Nancy Kelley, chief executive of the LGBT rights charity Stonewall, also welcomed the extension:

Sure Jan.

I agree, but at least it's better than "anti trans".

My only complaint about the Times article is that they have used the label ‘gender critical’ in reference to FPFW and other women’s groups.

They should stop this. It is confusing to those who don’t know what it means. Plus, it is Women’s groups!!! It is women campaigning for their rights and the rights of children.

That's brilliant, well done Dr Nic!

Thank you Nic! Great job!

More of us can get our submissions in now!!

Excellent work FPFW. Nobody should rush through permanent law making on the basis of getting a good headline for a conference .it’s totally undemocratic.

When will the government stop treating distressed kids who think ‘gender identity’ will help them feel better, as lesser than other kids? Whatever the gender identity lobby groups want to have validated, that’s not the job of government or distressed children to validate by allowing the kids to be unquestioningly put on an unresearched path to medication, hormones and surgery which isn’t even shown to be effective at helping their distress. Plus which has a whole host of known, awful permanent side effects including raised risk of cancer and diminished ability to think clearly and permanent loss of normal sexual function and permanent loss of their natural fertility the further they go down this path. Not something any child can understand enough to consent to lose.

Particularly sinister, if this is true: I saw in the Times comments is that the government haven’t yet produced an Easy Read format for this very short consultation. These are vital tools of inclusion to include for people with low literacy in English or with some learning difficulties. Now why would anyone think that it’s OK or good to exclude their views from this?

The decision to extend the consultation came after Fair Play For Women, a gender-critical organisation, threatened a judicial review.

Bloody hell. Well done Nic.

Why cant the government separate sexual orientation from 'gender identity'??

What's stopping them? They are so poles apart that the one erases the other as a concept.

How can anyone think that waving through a law that doesn't question thousands of children who have been taught they could be in the 'wrong body', is remotely acceptable?

The D of E have said themself that teachings have to be evidence based. How does that square with unequivocal acceptance of 'gender identity'?

Thank heavens for women like Nic Williams.